Buffy 10/8 Nastiest.Demon.Ever.

I was suprised at how far they took that scene with Willow. I was thinking, “surely they won’t SHOW him stripping the skin off” but they did.
Gnarl licking her stomach was bad enough. shudder
Defintely one of the most disturbing scenes I’ve even seen on TV.

Gnarl was icky but still not as frightening as “The Gentleman”. My wimpy husband still refuses to watch that episode in reruns or on tape (which I occasionally torture him with).

I also love that they gave Anya a lot more screen time and character development.

“Come in. Enjoy my personal space.”
Anya is such a highlight for me, but I’ve professed Anya love before so I’ll refrain.

I thought it was Gnarl as in “gnarly,” back from the days of beach-surfer slang. And boy, was he disgusting, with those Nosferatu fingernails and the Calista Flockhart ribs sticking out of his chest.

Like Otto, at first I thought only non-humans could see Willow, as she only had interactions with Anya, Spike, and Gnarly. I also thought the “I did it” was tacked on, and it didn’t work for me. And if Willow can make something that drastic happen simply by thinking about it, is she really ready to jump back into the real world? Seems like strange judgment on Giles’s part. But who am I to question Giles?

I liked this episode. It was creepy and it had that initial ‘what-the-hell-is-going-on?’ (c.f. also “Super Star” and Dawn’s first appearance). It appears that karma is an active force in the Buffyverse – flay someone alive and you get to spend an evening trapped in a cave with a flesh-eating demon snacking on your abdomen. Not exactly subtle but that was a scene that’s gonna have an entire generation rethinking their attachment to low-rider jeans and bare midriffs. Maybe they toned it down deliberately to avoid freaking people out, but my only problem with that scene was that Willow didn’t look like she was in enough pain.

And sometimes it’s good to see the heroes show up slightly after the nick of time.

As for the cause of the invisibility thing, that was obvious once we figure out what’s going on – at least if you remembered the last episode where Giles was sending Willow off. And it’s not the first time Willow has used magic inadvertantly or to avoid confrontation.

Tony Head is contracted for a minimum of 10 episodes this season, and I believe he’s filming ep 7 right now. We’ve seen him twice so far, so we are going to get at least 8 more eps with Giles in them, if not more. (The door is open and Joss Whedon has said that they desperately want him…)

As do we all . . .

Before I even saw Gnarl, I thought “Gollum”, and even moreso after. I fthought it was an okay ep. I like the fact that at least Dawn isn’t ready to forgive and forget Willow’s past. Willow has always gotten away with anything, stuff that Giles would’ve torn Xander up one side and down the other for. It shouldn’t be made too easy for her. The only way to learn from your mistakes (and skinning a guy, even a bad guy, is a hell of a “mistake”) is to have to suffer the consequences.

StG

If you remember the Gnarl could paralyze its victims. I’m figuring that she didn’t feel anything because of the poison. Once it did wear off you did see her wince more.

Heck yeah!

:slight_smile:

Great episode. Marsters in the back-to-back scenes was brilliant. The first time he talked to the apparently invisible Buffy, it didn’t quite click for me, but the second time, when he said, “You’re glowing. What’s a word that means glowing? It has to rhyme.” I fairly scremed **“effulgent. The word you are looking for is effulgent!” **.

I didn’t really mind Buffy using Spike as a bloodhound so much- he’s made it clear that he wants to help, and it gave an opportunity to show that Spike’s helping isn’t helping Spike. I did resent Buffy’s “Let’s tie ourselves to the crazy vampire” line though. I thought it was more than a little callous, considering that she knows 1) that he has a soul and 2) that he is in a great deal of psychic pain. I that somethime Buffy should have hogtied Spike, hauled his ass back to his crypt, and given Clem strict orders not to leave him alone, if for no other reason that an insane vampire left on his own in the basement of a building that is sitting on top of a freaking hellmouth might, just might, potentially become dangerous.

I’m jost wondering if ME isn’t gearing toward writing Buffy out- through most of S6, and in “Lessons” and “Same Time, Same Place”, Buffy is becoming an increasingly dislikeable character, and I know that SMG hasn’t signed on for an eighth season. Meanwhile, Spike is emerging as the strongest character on the show, with Dawn playing an increasingly important role. I’m just wondering if there’s a spinoff already being planned for, and the writers are trying to make Buffy a character who wouldn’t be so much missed in the new show.

I loved the interplay between Wilow and Anya. Yeah, Anya did seem to be coming on to Willow, after they did that demon-finding spell. But I couldn’t help but wonder, if Willow is so connected with, well, everything, how come she couldnl’t see Spike’s soul. Is it that only another demon would be able to see it? And I’m getting a bit tired of Insane Spike. James Marsters is doing some of the best acting I’ve ever seen, but being the rabid Spike-o-phile that I am, I want to see him start healing. I want to see the process of him piecing his mind back together, integrating his soul with the reast of his psyche. In S6, it was painful seeing him shut out of the Scoobie gang unless they needed him for something. Having him abandoned in the high school basement, only to be brought out when he can be useful is just too much. I think that it’s high time that Buffy, if nobody else, starts treating him like a freaking person, instead of a thing.

I really like what the writers at ME are doing with Dawn, though. She doesn’t seem to be turning into a badass fighter so much as she is doing research and holding down the home front. I loved her line in “Beneath You” when she said “I’m command central, so everybody has to check in with me. OK, I’ll be here doing my homework, but it sounded cooler the other way.”. And I’m getting a real kick out of the sense of humor she is developing toward some of the ickier aspects of her job. Oh, and she uses a Macintosh, which is beyond cool.

“I’m insane. What’s his excuse?” God, I almost fell off the couch laughing at that line.

Just remembered X’s line in the basement: We can’t use blueprints down here. It’s as though the walls move about.
What’s that about?

I loved this episode. Creepy, funny, cool. I’m sith LunaSea, Gnarl freaked me out far more than the gentlemen did. I had to look away when he was pulling strips of skin off of Willow. <shudder> I didn’t have a problem with the explanation for the invisibility: it echoed Tara’s spell gone awry in “Family”, which I thought was fitting, even a little touching. And this episode had some of the best lines in a while. My favorite exchange:

Anya: …Spike’s insane in the basement…
Willow: Spike’s what in the whatment?
Anya: Insane, base.

Coupla other things:

Close, but I think she could certainly feel things: there’s nothing mentioned about going numb when Dawn is paralyzed. And, if you’re a demon who likes to flay your victims alive, anesthetizing them first would take all the fun out of it. Rather, I’m pretty sure she could feel everything, but being paralyzed, couldn’t react to it.

While I agree Marsters is damned good actor, this isn’t really all the impressive a trick. Any actor can do it, and in film and television, any actor is pretty much required to do it. To get all the shot coverage they need, actors usually have to do the same scene over and over from different angles, and the best parts from each take are usually spliced together between cuts to other characters to make up the scene. They usually only use one camera for these sort of shots because more cameras makes lighting and blocking the scene exponentially more difficult. So the scene with Spike in the basement was probably filmed several dozen times, and the best parts from each take put together for the final cut.

Giles was refering to Willow’s native powers, not the powers that were “lent” to her by the Coven last season. Willow was supposed to be incredibly powerful, even before she went all veiny.

When Willow first asked anya to help with the spell, Anya replied, “Not in a sexy way, right?” After the spell is over and Willow and Anya share some bonding over their shared moral ambiguity, Anya says, “It was kinda sexy, wasn’t it?” and Willow is clearly distubred by the implication.

My favorite exchange:

Anya: Spike’s insane in the basement…
Willow: Spike’s what in the whatment?
Anya: Insane, base.

arisu, you’re right, Xander, Willow and Dawn are being kept in the dark about Spike’s re-ensoulment. Buffy didn’t tell anyone about finding Spike in the basement, and now she’s not telling them he has a soul. This is pretty typical Buffy- when Angel returned from Hell, she didn’t tell anyone about that, either, and wound up with Giles and the whole Scooby gang angry with her for it. You think she’d learn, you’d think that having been dead would give her a new perspective about these things, but, no.

And she’s being way too cavalier about Spike’s condition, and it’s really pissing me off.

Two quick thoughts about Willow.

1: She quit doing magic last season, and was having trouble doing it, whether we call it an addiction or not. The thinking was, she was becoming too powerful and starting to overshadow Buffy, so this was, among other things, a way to rebalance the show.

Then Tara was murdered, Willow went seriously Dark, and tried to, literally, destroy the world. And so now…it’s okay for her to be using magic? Because she’s been off “learning how to not be evil”?

Lame, lame, lame. I think they should have put a plot gimmick in her head, like they did with Spike, to stop her from using magic at all. As it is, they are back to the problem they had before. Willow is so powerful, where’s the challenge? Unless they just ignore it, as in this ep…Gnarl had her paralyzed, but so did Giles in “Grave” and she handled it fine.

I mean, this is a girl who can take an ax to the head and bounce right back. If Willow’s back to using magic, why do they even need Buffy?

2: I know little about fashion, so I lack the vocabulary to properly express myself here. But the way Willow was dressed in this ep just screamed out “Evil Willow” to me. Reminded me of the way she was dressing in early season six, sort of “self confident lesbian witch with more than a hint of a dark side” Willow.

Not that I’m complaining, mind you, I thought she looked great. But the clothes made a real contrast with her “sad, repentant-y” facial expressions.

And hey, where’s Amy?

Like StG said, Gnarl reminded me of Gollum as he scared the pants offa me as a little kid in the crappy cartoon version of LOTR. The Genltement never really bugged me because I’d already seen Dark City and they were so very, very similar to the bad nasties that I thought they were in homage to the film.

And yu-uck! I was practically retching during the Gnarl flesh eating stuff. Ack! Ack! Ack!

She was only super-powerful when she was using the darkest of the dark magics. Since she won’t do that again (presumably), we have good ol’ season 4 magic Willow. Seems like a decent resolution to me.

Gnarl felt like such a Gollum ripoff to me. I was all, “Give the bastard his Precious and see if that gets rid of him already.”

So am I correct in assuming that Buffy just left Spike draped over the cross at the end of Beneath You? Gah. At least last season I could empathize with her; now, I just want to hit her with a folding chair. I agree with Thea–Buffy gets less and less likeable, but I’m sure the Spike Girls everywhere are saying that. Does anyone who isn’t in love with Spike/Marsters care to chime in on her character development?

Oh, and Thea, I guess we were both groaning, “Effugent. Just. Say. The. Word.” Maybe Dru or Cecily/Hallie will show up and get all antique thesaurusy–it might snap something back into place.

Juniper, you just reminded me- I missed a few episodes of S6- at the end of “Older and Far Away”, Hallie recognized Spike and it was apparent that he realized that he knew her from somewhere. But I didn’t see the episode where it was revealed that Halfrek was in fact Cecily, or how she became a vengeance demon. I mean, if breaking one guy’s heart lands you a gig like that, we’d all be vengeance demons.

'Course, most guys who get their hearts broken don’t go off and get turned into vampires, but still…

Anyhoo, please fill me in, would ya?

That’s because there hasn’t been any such episode. Technically, it’s still just an assumption, based on her reaction to Spike and the fact that it’s the same actress.

My favorite little scene was when they killed Gnarl, showing posable Dawn pitch forward on the couch back home. Nice touch. I still don’t understand how any book would know that killing Gnarl would end the paralization (and that’s a lame plot device anyways, used too often). There’s only one, and it obviously hadn’t been killed yet.

Nice ep, lots of good dialog and a nasty demon. Putting out his eyes with her thumbs was appropriate, but a little to work-a-day for someone who had done that to Willow. Granted, they hadn’t seen Willow yet, but still…

They have to have some plot movement in the Spike/Buffy area or I’ll get bored with it soon.

I don’t like Spike. I’ve never liked Spike. They did such a good job making me hate his character in season 2/3/4 that I doubt I ever will. I do like James Marsters, especially when he’s not using that horrible accent (and when he’s not wearing a shirt.)

Buffy seems like any other woman to me. Why would she have much sympathy for Spike? HE TRIED TO RAPE HER. Even if you use the “he’s better now, he has a soul” arguement, she is still going to feel the same fear and revulsion when she looks at him. Maybe she uses him, is hard on him. I would have staked him a long time ago.

I hear a lot about poor Spike and how Buffy HAS to love him, now that he has a soul, because he loves her so much. That is not the way the world works. People fall in love/get obsessed, many times the object of their affection has no interest. Why would Spike getting his soul back change her feelings toward him? Why would she ever feel love for him since he tried to rape her? Especially since she never loved him to start with. If she were a real person and posting on this MB we’d tell her to run in the opposite direction as fast as her little legs would carry her, not be saying he’s changed and she should be in love with him.

Buffy has grown up and maybe now she wants a healthy relationship. She’s getting to the age when women start thinking about their future. A Buffy/Spike match-up doesn’t strike me as very promising. Would you want to send the rest of your life with someone who will never age, be able to have kids, go out in sunlight or get a job? And who tried to rape you?

I think her character development is very realistic. She’s saved the world (a lot,) died (twice,) made her boyfriend evil, had her mother die and has been abandoned by her father to raise her sister.