Bush and Saddam

Who’s smarter?

Why do you ask?

Do you mean the answer is obvious?

Tough call… I don’t admire either man’s intelligence, particularly. The answer to your question really depends on a lot of information that has been kept secret from little ol’ us… it depends upon which of them is the craftier.

Given Bush’s apparent stubbornness on the question of war, and Saddam’s apparent willingness to spit into the wind that Bush is making, a more appropriate question might be “Who’s dumber?”… but that may be just how things look on a superficial level.

Quick: Mother Theresa, or the Unabomber. Which one’s more intelligent?

After all, we all know how important that question is to evaluating them.

No, I mean I’m trying to figure out what the debate is here. If you are taking a poll, the correct forum is IMHO. If you want a debate, a better approach might be to state who you think is smarter, and why. Cheers.

Hey Bush went to Harvard! Did Saddam go to Harvard? I don’t even think Saddam took his SATs.

As a national leader, one has to secure the border, to stabilize the economy, to avoid head-on conflict with a much strongger opponent, to make compromise, to develop good relationship with friendly countries, to win supports from formal enemies. Saddam has done just all that.

Look at Bush as a world leader. Major global anxieties are coming from his warring rhetorics, the biggest disabilizing factor in the current world affairs. And look at the domestic economy, look at the mounting deficit, the sh**ty stock market. Look the dissatisfied allies from Europe, and Asia.

There you go. If you want to slam the American president, go ahead. No one’s going to bite your head off. No need to beat around the Bush, haw haw haw.

Some may disagree with some of your remarks, however.

  1. Saddam has not secured his borders. Iraq fought a years-long war with Iran that end inconclusively with hundreds of thousands dead. US-imposed no-fly zones currently cover two-thirds of Iraqi territory, and there isn’t a thing Saddam can do about it.

  2. Saddam has not stabilized his economy. If he had not initiated at least two wars, he might have presided over an economy second in riches per capita only to Saudi Arabia and a few of the Gulf sheikdoms.

  3. Saddam does not appear to be very successful at avoiding head-on conflict with anyone. He did not avoid head-on conflict with a much stronger power in 1991 after invading Kuwait, and it appears very likely that he will be facing head-on conflict with a much stronger power early in 2003.

  4. Please name a few “friendly countries” which currently support Iraq.

  5. While certain countries that are formal enemies of Iraq have gone on record as being opposed to the US military threats against Iraq, I’m not sure that counts as support for Iraq, exactly.

Hey, if you want to say Saddam is smarter than Bush, fine. If a full-scale invasion of Iraq takes place, however, that supposedly superior intellience isn’t going to count for very much is it?

Bush is stupid and morally suspect

Saddam is devious and amoral.

El, Your points sounded like saying the smarter guy is the one who has the bigger muscle.

When the number one power of the world has been always trying to slow him down, (UN sanctions, Embargo, no-flight-zones, etc.) Saddam has already outsmarted Bush and his father by surviving. When US was not in his way, Iraq used to be the most modern and powerful country in ME.

By the way these are the friendly countries that helped Iraq as seen in Iraq’s weapon declaration:

USA, China, France, UK, USSR, Japan, Netherland, Belgien, Spain, Sweden, Germany.

Isn’t Saddam smart? He gets all these US companies in trouble!

The sh*t had hit the fan!

Are you being facetious?

Bush would never have gotten into Harvard if his daddy was, say, a doctor from Preoria.

He scored 1206 on his SAT–566 on the verbal and 640 on the math, and carried a C average in college. As Unca Cece said in his column “Then again, I recall having seen a college guide circa 1970 that listed the average SAT for Yale freshmen as about 670 in verbal, 705 in math. So Bush was well below average for his class. He must have written a great essay.”

Saddam, on the other hand, was smart enough to seize control of an entire country, without help from the Supreme Court.

Er, no, that’s not what I’m saying at all.

Well, one of the most modern and powerful, at least, but the fact remains that Saddam launched two major wars which gained him nothing and lost him much.

Sorry, haven’t a clue what you are referring to here.

Look, I realize that you opened this thread mainly to complain about Bush and I presume from your non-standard English grammar that you are located outside the US. You should try to understand that not all Americans approve of the current administration’s warmongering over Iraq; certainly not all the Americans on this particular message board.

If makes you feel better to hurl insults at the American president, then by all means do so, but you’re really not creating a, you know, debate. Also, posting inflammatory messages just to provoke an indignant response from other posters is known as trolling and tends to get people banned around here. If your only interest is picking a fight with some random Americans, I must repectfully decline the offer. May I suggest that try again in the Pit?

My god, what does that mean? Recall, this guy killed people when he “seized” that “entire country.” Smart? And he did it without resort to the “Supreme Court.” Moral? Legal? And you’re posting stuff about Bush getting into Harvard with his Dad’s help?

Saddam is smarter, no doubt. Bush has never been praised for his intellect. He is on the other hand famous for his stupidity.

I think your confusing intelligence with morality. Have you heard the of the term ‘evil genius’(not that Saddam is a genious)? In general the two seem to be independant of each other.

Nobody here is picking a fight with you, El. You sounded defensive. Why can’t you just give out your takes on the OP just like the rest?

Ha ha! I managed to misspell genius :slaphead:

And in regards to the OP, you conclusion is ?