Buying a piano. Any caveats?

So my half-joking comment about buying a baby grand in this thread looks like it will soon become a reality. I went and looked at pianos a few hours ago (with a friend who recently purchased one himself) and found a 1923 Chickering baby grand that, while a bit beat up, plays great and sounds beatiful. The piano shop includes delivery plus tuning after it’s been in the house a few weeks, to allow time for it to adjust to the new environs. They’ve also promised to reshape the felts on some of the hammers, do some slight cosmetic work, including replacing a few chipped pieces of ivory on the keys.

6 months same as cash for $1,999.

Anything I should know about purchasing an instrument of this age? I’m in love with the action; I have a lot of issues with joint pain, especially in my fingers, and the action lacks the stiffness you’ll find in a lot of new pianos. In addition, about 20 years ago it had the bass strings replaced, so it has much nicer low-end punch than you’ll usually find in pianos of that age.

There’s a lovely spot in my living room where I hope to put it. It would make me look oh-so-intellectual, don’t you think? Then I’d just need a tuxedo coat with tails to wear whenever I have guests over…

Or a glitter jacket and a chandelier.

Does a chandelier work with 8-foot ceilings? If it can be done, I may just have to consider that. :wink:

I’ve decided the first new pieces I’m going to learn (it’s been 5 years, so I’m sure I’m a bit rusty) will be theme songs to popular sitcoms from years gone by. First on the list: “Family Matters.” Nothing gets a party going like a song that makes you want to say…

"Did I do thaaaaaat?"

Just be careful if you’re planning on moving soon. I grew up in the house I did because it was the only one my parents could find in their price range with a living room large enough to fit their baby grand :slight_smile:

A friend of mine recently inherited a Steinway of the same vintage. Although the piano played beautifully “as-was,” a going-over by an experienced tech revealed about $7,000 worth of repair work that needed to be done. It wasn’t do or die stuff, but the innards of the piano definitely needed work.

I guess if it were me I’d have someone who works on pianos, and who wasn’t trying to sell me the instrument, look it over to check for gotchas. Kind of like buying a used car.

Otherwise, it sounds awesome! I’d love to have a baby grand. Right now I just have an upright that lives with my father because I don’t have a house. Having a piano at home makes life a lot cooler.

~fig

Candelabra, not chandelier. :slight_smile:

This might seem harsh, but - - -
Don’t.
Buy a piano, that is.
When my dad died, and my mother sold the house and moved to a condo, we first tried to sell the piano, then giving it away. One of the movers ended up taking it off us. Pianos are great, and if you’re gonna play real concertos, there really is no substitute.

However, at work, we have a Roland digital piano. It sounds like a piano, it feels like one, when you’re playing it, it looks like a pianol. But it’s not. It’s just sampled, but it sounds great. If you just want to play and have smething that doesn’t need tuning, it’s marvelous. Of course, it’s cheating, but then again, it doesn’t weigh a 1K lbs. Roland even makes some “baby grands” (quotation marks on purpose). If you’re getting a piano for the fun of playing, do yourself a favor and check out these instruments. They’ll blow you away. There are synthezisers with samples piano sound, but this is something else - when you hit a key on one of the digital pianos, it has the same feel as a real piano.

Yeah, I noticed that after I posted it, but it sounded good, so what the heck.

I’m not going to let my husband read this thread, I’m trying to talk him into getting a piano. Do they really feel like a real piano and not a keyboard?

To be perfectly honest, I think I’m going to have to discount this suggestion. To begin with, as far as cost goes, the KR-107 costs more than the piano I’m looking at. Additionally, as someone who has 12 years of classical piano training under his belt, taking lessons on either a baby grand or a concert grand and practicing on a wonderful Yamaha studio upright, I would have a very difficult time being able to accept playing on an artificial instrument, no matter how real it might feel.

I already have a Roland digital piano with very nice weighted keys and midi capabilities in my recording studio, and even run through my top-notch monitors, it still doesn’t have the right feel to me. If Im going to buy a piano I want something that feels, sounds, even smells like a real piano. And if it comes to the point where I need to move and I have to get rid of whatever instrument I purchase, the store I’m working with buys and sells used instruments; I could always sell it back at a loss.

I did ask about caveats, however, so I appreciate the suggestions! :smiley:

Yes, and that’s the amazing thing. I only took piano lessons for three years, and never played on a grand piano. But sitting down and playing, it has the exact same feel to it as the piano in my parents’ house.

As for smell - I really wouldn’t know :smiley:

Frankly, two grand sounds too high for that piano.

Buying a piano is a big decision because if it turns out not to hold a tuning, or if you find you don’t play it as much as you thought you would, or if for any other reason you aren’t completely happy with it, you could end up with a white elephant. And there are few things you can buy that are more white elephanty than a baby grand piano.

Now, if having an attractive piece of furniture is important to you whether you play it or not, and you don’t have anything more pressing to do with the money, then by all means go ahead and buy this piano.

But if you’ve never bought a piano before and if saving money, or at least getting good value, is important to you, you must have an independent piano technician look it over first. Just as you should have a mechanic check any used car you are considering buying, you must have an independent expert check any used piano for hidden problems. He (or she) will also be able to advise you on how much a given instrument is worth.

But before you call the technician, I strongly recommend reading The Piano Book by Larry Fine. It will give you the information you need to make an informed choice on this very important decision.

For instance, from my copy I learn that although the Chickering name is now owned by Baldwin, before 1985 Chickerings were made by the Aeolian company. Most of the upright pianos made by Aeolian under the Chickering and other names are essentially junk, and all Fine has to say about the grands is that the early ones (before 1965) were “not bad.” This would give me pause about paying $2,000 for an 84-year-old Chickering.

The Piano Book also has useful information about how pianos are made, what to look for in a used instrument, and the tricks and gimmicks that sales people use and how to counter them. It includes reviews and histories of all major brands of piano, and tips on moving, storing, and servicing them. It’s indispensable to anyone who owns or wants to own a piano.

The publisher’s Web site (linked above) also has a Piano Pricing Guide Service that you may be interested in using. It’s $25 for three pianos, and $5 for each additional piano. This is useful for older instruments like the one you are considering because the printed annual supplement only offers pricing for recent models.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes.

[On preview I see that what follows is somewhat redundant, but I’ve written it, so I’ll let it stand.]

As for the electronic-vs-real piano debate, if you can afford the real thing (at least $3,000-$5,0000), if you have the space, and if you’re in a place where the sound won’t bother the neighbors (i.e. not a small apartment), then a real piano is hands-down the best choice. And if you’re serious about really playing well, or if you want your child to be serious about music, a real piano is essential. There is simply no substitute for the sound of a good acoustic piano.

By real piano I mean a (large) studio upright or a grand. If you can only afford or fit a spinet, or if you just want to fool around, save your money and get an electronic keyboard. Then if you get tired of it you can sell it or put it in a closet.

Make sure it’ll fit through the all the doors first!

IMO, not even close. Digital pianos are to real pianos what CGI landscapes are to real landscapes. Pretty, impressive, but not in any way a substitute for the real thing.

~fig

I myself have a Sohner of around the same vintage. Wonderful piano. One thing I really regret was allowing them to replace some of the chipped ivories - the chips were small, and while now I have unchipped ivories on those keys they don’t quite match the texture and color. I wish I’d asked them to leave it the way it was.

Mine needs refelting, but I knew it would sooner or later. Plays beautifully with wonderful action.

Thanks for the note on the ivories; I’m debating whether to have them fix a few chips on the keys. The ivory on this piano has yellowed much less than other pianos I’ve seen of similar vintage. I think I may have them only fix the two where it’s a functional issue (I believe one is the C above middle C - the chip is such that there’s a little bit of a sharp edge, which causes slight discomfort when playing.)

I’ve had a friend who, while not an expert technician, has vast knowledge about technical issues with pianos, has owned several pianos throughout his life and is current owner of a baby grand from the same vintage. He’s given it the thumbs up. I measured the space in my living room, checked my finances, and asked the magic 8-ball… I think I’m going to do it!

No disrespect to your friend, but I’ll just reiterate that there’s no substitute for the expertise of a real piano technician, preferably a member of the Piano Technicians Guild. (That Web site can help you find one in your area.) It may cost you around $100 for a tech to meet you at the seller’s location and look it over with you. Heck, if you live in a small town he may already know the instrument! He may also know the seller and be able to tell you about his reliability over the phone, without costing you a cent.

BTW, have you done any comparison shopping in your area? Just as with used cars, there are always more pianos out there and it’s risky to fall in love and make a quick decision. I’m a little concerned that you’ve worked yourself into a buyer’s frenzy and aren’t being entirely rational about this decision.

At the very least, do not simply pay the asking price. Offer them half, and see what they say. If they don’t come down to $1,500, walk out. You can always go back, but I’ll wager they either stop you before you leave or call you at home and make a lower offer. If you don’t have the haggling gene, bring a friend who does.

Did your friend check the pin block? If the pins are loose, a technician can put some kind of dope on them that will tighten the pins, but that may not be enough in an older instrument. If the pin block is shot, you’re screwed, because the piano will never be able to hold a tuning.

If the pin block’s good, the action’s good and the sound board isn’t cracked, you’re probably good to go. I paid about $1,000 for a 1935 Brambach. It’s got a couple of issues (that are easily fixable, if I wanted to spend the money, but they don’t bug me that much), but it holds its tune well. Now if I could just get my bifocals adjusted, because the music is so-o-o-o-o-o much farther away than on a console piano!

Or at the very least one of your windows.

Yep, the pin block’s golden, there are no signs of cracks or any issues with the soundboard, and it’s very close to being in tune, and this is after only being in the store for less than a week (my friend was at the store a week back and it hadn’t arrived yet.) The $2,000 price is already haggled down from the initial $2,500 they were asking. I’ve gotten them to agree to fixing the minor issues with the music stand, patching the functionally problematic chipped ivories. Free delivery, one free tuning.

I think I’m going to take care of the purchase tomorrow… so excited!