I think if I were arrrested for Aggravated Possession of a Buick, and when I saw the detective, I pointed out that not only is possession of a Buick not a crime, but I don’t actually own a Buick, “That’s true. You’re free to go,” would not be satisfactory to me. Although if they were jack-booted Nazis, I’d probably let it slide and get the hell out of there.
What? That doesn’t even make any sense.
This would, incidentally, be another example of you assigning motives to other people. Which you said no one should ever do.
Picking and choosing what we’d like to reply to eh?
-Anal retentive spelling member whom frequently makes spelling erra’s.
yayyyy things have broken down into a zinger contest! This is my favorite part
I see that TubaDiva has been posting elsewhere but not here. Too close to bedtime to draw any conclusion from that fact. Maybe she just didn’t do a vanity search.
Yes, yes, I know. I brought up love shack vis a vis the OP’s thread…(never mind)
Re **TubaDiva **not posting here–perhaps she has moved on, as should we all?
Sapo: don’t hold your breath, buddy. I think we’ve gotten all the answers that are going to come. I’d like to be wrong, but we’re on page 4 now, with no sign of CajunMan or TubaDiva, so that’s probably the end of that. Which is exactly what I predicted, and which is why I never bother with threads like this, normally.
Not assigning motives-- describing your behavior with adjectives that you don’t like. I don’t know WHY you’re ass-kissing and trying to shut down discussion, but you are doing it. Seems pretty clear to me.
And if you think it’s OK to say that everyone who posted to this thread with questions just wants to crucify the mods or deck them out in sackcloth, then you’re being ridiculous. I don’t know why you’re being ridiculous, but you are.
Your fondest wish was for this thread to just go away. I was perfectly willing to walk away from it and accept that the input from Giraffe and tomndebb was all we were going to get from TPTB, but apparently you’ve changed your mind now that the topic is something you’re more interested in discussing, ie., my faults. See, and there was I thinking you didn’t know what hypocrisy was. You’ve proven that I’m wrong.
Jodi, Good on you.
As a way of back and forth let me say this: Nothing on theses boards is that important. To me, all of this stuff is passing time or mental masturbation. Most stuff on theses boards is “microscopic dissection of a problem that doesn’t merit microscopic dissection” (yes, poop threads and all). That’s what we do here.
When someone says, “But wait! This really is important and you are all poopyheads for not seeing it” it draws attention. Saying, “I can’t really post at length about how other people should let this go, without contributing to the very problem I see” is contributing. Or saying (in effect) re-read my argument then stop posting, is posting at length. But that’s OK, that’s your opinion. I was pointing it out for what I saw it as.
Sure, we all have our crusades. This is not one of them for me, as mentioned, I am not screaming for an explanation. Just as I do not know what was on the mod’s mind, nor do you know what is on the minds of those being curious. I for one am not asking anyone to sacrifice themselves.
peace
Cajun Man, congratulations if you’ve made it this far through “The Making of ‘The Making of Star Wars.’”
Giraffe’s account rings true but it really doesn’t matter.
You’re a Moderator. You moderated.
You made a call. Someone uncalled it.
Oh well.
You’re not missing flesh are you?
You owe no one an apology,
for doing as you saw fit.
Now get back in there.
Ban someone.
Ban me.
No one will object to that.
Or you could just close a thread where I seek revenge for a years old affront.
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You know, Rubes, me posting again doens’t preclude you from leaving this thread behind. Nor, for that matter, does me posting prevent anyone else from discussing the topic of the thread. Which is why your insistence that I’m trying to “shut the thread down” are so lame. There’s absolutely nothing I can do to prevent this subject being discussed. If the subject was so important to you, you could have spent your time talking about it. Instead, you spent it attacking me. Which tells us a little something about your priorities, I think.
I wanted to wait before drawing a conclusion. Oh well.
I was wrong by asking for a little patience from the members. Oh well.
Not really satisfied by this possible conclusion. Still not really outraged in the first place.
See me resume normal Doping routines.
You are SO out of the running for the '08 Tour de France.
Lousy Dopers.
Mods and admins are just like other posters in that they have their own favorite and unfavorite forums. Some posters don’t regularly read the Pit, and the same goes for mods and admins…some just don’t read the Pit on any regular basis.
We’ve always encouraged people to EMAIL the staff about questions and problems. This doesn’t guarantee an answer, either, as unfortunately sometimes our computers break down, or our internet service goes out, or the email is lost to the ether, or we go on vacation. Sometimes even real life interferes. However, if you really want to know why a certain poster was banned, or why a thread was closed, email will usually get you a better and faster response.
One of the reasons we’ve designated the Pit as the place where people ask about staff decisions is that often people don’t want answers, they just want to vent and gripe. It seems to me that this thread (which I haven’t really read as closely as I should have) is going according to the established pattern.
I’d like to point out that there is no course of action that will please everyone. Some members would like a little more moderation, some would like less. We’ve rarely had membership consensus on banning actual members, though it seems that very few people indeed like spammers, other than to bat them around a bit. We can’t please ALL the members ALL the time, so we do the best we can. When a thread gets several reports, then a moderator WILL look at it, and make the best decision s/he can about whether to close it or not.
Uh, you may want to read the thread more closely then. You’re way off. The whole damn thing, other than the sidebar between** Miller **and Rubystreak is about an explanation. It is baffling that one hasn’t been offered. I don’t think it reflects well on the board’s moderation. Not that anyone cares I guess…
What? Again I suggest you read the thread. It is not about more or less moderation. It is about an explanation—or lack of explanation—concerning a particular moderating incident. What the hell is so damn hard about a moderator explaining his or her actions? Two have attempted to offer explanations here and they weren’t even the Mods involved. Sheesh this is getting dumber and dumber the longer it goes on. And not because of the people posting in this thread.
No explanation is gonna please everyone, and frankly, I wonder why I even bother to point this out any more. Often when we explain, members seem to get even more riled up than when we don’t explain. I don’t understand this reaction, I’m just reporting it. I don’t think that I’m going to participate any more in this thread, for the same reason I don’t participate much in abortion, religion, and politics threads these days. I keep saying the same things, and so does everyone else, and nobody’s mind is changed.
So you’d rather not read through the thread I take it. Can’t say I blame you, except you did choose to come in and opine. Might I suggest then, as the Administrator, that the parties in question be asked by you to stop in here and explain their moderating. It is curiouser and curiouser that a board that tasks itself with fighting ignorance seems to be fine with moderators who won’t inform members as to the thinking behind their moderating decisions. It is baffling and does not reflect well on SDMB.
How about this: from a pure customer satisfaction standpoint, you guys have a bunch of members all making the same reasonable request. Why not grant it and have those mods explain themselves? What is the downside?
Lynn, thanks for posting. I am not being quick in judging anyone’s action. This thread might be 4 pages long, but only one day old (on a long weekend) and most posts are slapfights. This means that non-response might be just non-awareness.
I PM’d TubaDiva last night about this thread (right after I posted my last post about her being in and not replying). I don’t think she has been back since, so I am not ready to cry foul.
I am not questioning anyone’s judgement or actions. I am just genuinely curious as to what was it that CajunMan saw in pizzabrat’s thread that merited a locking with the ominous “thou shalt no do this again” (although that is probably his template thread locking post, where he just types in the offender’s name).
Also, I am very curious as to why TubaDiva saw fit to indulge into what I see as haughty threadshitting, when she replied something to the effect of “this is a stupid thread, but I will let you have it”, and why she decided to lock a thread asking about the reasons for CajunMan closing pizzabrat’s thread when no answer had been given.
I will look forward to a response from the relevant parties, no matter that the prevailing opinion is that none will come.
You know, Mills, I was never the one who wanted the thread to just go away. Ideally, I’d leave it behind when some answers were given.
Oh, your attempts to shut down the discussion are futile and misplaced, and were never going to work, but that didn’t stop you from trying, ridiculing the process, and trying to cast aspersions on the motivations of the participants.
There are only so many times you can ask the same questions over and over until it gets a little repetitious. With lack of any further information from the Pittees, we went around in ciricles. You and others were then successfully able to derail the conversation into an issue of whether or not the questions should even be asked. But that’s natural in a conversation where the original purpose cannot be served.
Miller, seriously, what is your point here? A perfectly legitimate question has been asked, and at this point, the reason people are aggravated is because the question is being deliberately ignored. TubaDiva let it be known in no uncertain terms, by closing the last Pit thread, that she and CajunMan had no intention of answering it, and although TPTB know that it would be a bad idea to close this thread as well, they clearly aren’t going to give us a real answer here, either. Sapo once again has reiterated the questions, in a nice and reasonable way, and again, my suspicion is that it will be ignored.
Who do you think is the unreasonable party here, really?