Hrm. Disappointing. I’m also pretty much inured to cinematic horror, and have been hoping for a long time that a flick that is both frightening and at least somewhat redeemable from an artistic standpoint might come along again. I think the last arguably meritorious flick to really give me a nasty case of the creeps was The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover. I found that movie both compelling and absolutely repulsive. It was great!
That said, the fact that a flim with a hokey title like Satan’s Rejects made even a decent show is pretty surprising in itself.
I guess you’re not familiar with the works of Hieronymus Bosch such as “Paradise and Hell” or his “Last Judgment” these work were the horror pictures of their day inspired by the bible not Rob Zombie. Almost every medieval church commissioned paintings known as the Doom or Hells mouth many were graphic and gory and they were prominently displayed to scare the faithful. You also discount the power of the written word yet authors manage to sell stories of horror and gore to this day that scare the shit out of their readers. The bible has inspired graphic stimulations since it’s inception. Not to mention during most of the bible’s history graphic public execution were common entertainment so even children could fill in the blanks left by the written word with their direct memories of hangings, disembowelings, beheadings, burning at the stake, stoning, draw & quartering, impaling on tall poles and yes even crucifixions (broken legs and all). Oh and let’s not forget the exquisite horrors of the Inquisition which was solely inspired by the bible. ( Oh, how I long for the “Good Old Days”)
Why must GOD glorify the violence he intends to inflict against his enemies in Revelations? (because it sells books and scares the sheep) Remember glorification of violence and hiding behind good intentions is the charge being lodged against Mr. Zombie.
In Exodus 12:29 and II Kings 2:23,24 god personally murders infants and children… violent enough for you? I don’t remember seeing that in any of Zombie’s stuff. There are many examples of GOD ordering his chosen people to massacre men, women and children try Samuel 15:3, Hosea 13:16, Isaiah 13:16, Duet. 3:3-8, Numbers 21:31 or Joshua 8:24-16. GOD is so proud of these actions that he wants everyone in the world to read about it so why begrudge Mr. Zombie his fantasy violence it is rated R after all (unlike the bible). I mean GOD really did everything in the bible right? Don’t tell me let me guess the bible “does not glorify the violence, it shows how ugly and nasty it is”. If that is true then how do you explain the brutal conquest of the New World for GOD and Country or the Inquisition? Remember that happened during a period in which the Church held much greater power over the world that it does today.
(We sure showed them “Injuns” and “witches” the meaning of “Christian Love”.) :smack:
I know this isn’t a violent story but what moral does Genesis 19:31-38 give the world? After the destruction of the Sodom and Gomorrah Lot’s two daughters got him drunk and had sex with him and what was GOD’s punishment for these incestuous relations?…. Two boys, Moab the father of the Moabites and Benammi father of the children of Ammon. Where was God’s righteous anger or Lot’s for that matter? It’s just another bible story full of (Zombie) family values. Many parts of the bible are worthy of a Rob Zombie script or song and just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it bashing or “asinine” it’s just a truth you can’t handle that’s all.
Look, Neutron_Activation, during the time periods you’ve mentioned in which violence was “inspired” by the Bible, the majority of people could not even read, let alone have their own Bible and understand it, or have a meaningful and personal relationship with God. They were under the control of a massive organized church and under the thumb of power-hungry megalomaniac leaders - circumstances where there’s going to be atrocity regardless of religion (ever heard of Josef Stalin?)
To this day, this phenomenon can be seen in the Islamic world where “fundamentalism” is rampant and yet a huge portion of the world’s Muslims can unfortunately not even read their own Koran. Were they to do so, they would be able to discern the violent historical bits from the life-lessons therein and use the Koran as a true guidebook and not as a weapon.
In this day and age, any literate person with any common sense and a Bible of their own is not going to be, as Talon Karrde said, using the violent parts of it as a “guidebook” for their own life.
Also, Neutron, I probably don’t need to tell you this, but unlike a Rob Zombie movie, the Bible contains more than just violence. It’s like life in general - sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes violent, sometimes peaceful, but always interesting. It has contradictions and mysteries - but so does life.
It’s a more sophisticated and valuable text than people give it credit for. It also has a lot of great stories, and plenty of them don’t involve graphic brutality.
House of 1000 Corpses is just a gore movie. And I love it for that, but that’s all it is. Comparing it in terms of complexity or depth to the Bible is really off the mark.
Alrighty then, lets come into modern times I guess you don’t pay attention to the news or recent history. The Roman Catholic Church (the largest Christian denomination by far) is in the middle of a huge Kiddy fucking scandal. They are hemorrhaging money faster than a young altar boy can run from Father Browneye in trying to cover all the new law suits. When this scandal first broke it was dismissed as isolated incidents but when it finally came to light that the Cardinals were moving their pedophiles around to “spread the love” did the legal authorities do anything? NO! Does it make you wonder why, obviously not! How about the Sheepole in their teeming flocks nah, they let the church handle it internally (I guess they didn’t want to piss GOD off you know how he can be).
What other organization in the world could admit to hiding baby rapers in their midst and then be allowed to take care of it themselves? To add insult to injury the Bishops got together to decide just how many time a priest could fuck kids before they would take action (which did not involve jail time)! I guess “They were under the control of a massive organized church and under the thumb of power-hungry megalomaniac leaders and too ignorant to have a meaningful and personal relationship with God”. **Sure sounds like a Rob Zombie script to me.
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Now let’s explore recent history, why did the French Roman Catholic church apologize to the Jews in 1997? Our top answer is…. Most of their members looked the other way and remained silent throughout the holocaust (I guess they did kill our Christ after all). Oh but wait….
Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League issued the following news release on 2000-MAR-12:
“Pope John Paul II has missed an historic opportunity to bring closure to Christian responsibility for specific sins against the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years. We are saddened and disappointed that this pontiff, who has done so much to further Catholic-Jewish relations, stopped short in addressing specific Catholic wrongs against the Jewish people, especially the Holocaust.”
"Since the beginning of Christianity and over two millennia, Jews have suffered as a result of the church’s teaching of contempt, which created the anti-Semitic environment that made the Holocaust possible. Because Pope John Paul II has been so courageously outspoken on behalf of the Jewish people and the legitimacy of Judaism, we are especially disheartened that there was no specific mention of the greatest sin of this century tolerated by Christianity and committed by many Christians – the Holocaust."The Holocaust another great possible Zombie script, see I’m not the only one who finds the church teaches violence and intolerance of others. Do you think the new Nazi Pope will soften his heart and beg for Hebrew forgiveness? (why not hold your breath)
Ah Stalin, did you know he began his education at the Gori Church School? Most of his classmates were the sons of affluent priests, officials, and merchants who ridiculed and bullied him (how Christian of them) He then moved on to become a product of the Tiflis Theological Seminary, you see, his mother wanted him to become a priest. During that time most schools in Russia were religious (no wonder they produced so many psychos). BTW It was Lenin who began the persecution of the church not Stalin and while Stalin nearly crushed the church out of existent during the purges of 38’& 39’ he was also responsible for it’s resurgence near the end of WWII as a patriotic organization. He had learned well in the seminary what religion was for… control (and leading the sheep to sheering & slaughter) He just cut out the middleman.
Whatever. I’m done debating about this, it’s very stupid. That doesn’t mean **Neutron ** has won here, though you can think whatever you want. Some people are always going to be resentful of religion and that’s that.
Yes, that’s what I mean. All of them misunderstand the bible. Even so if they were following Deuteronomy, because those laws have later been removed.
I don’t see why you even bothered in the first place. This Neutron fellow obviously is just a fool with an axe to grind. I wouldn’t have said anything if rjung, someone I actually respect, hadn’t joined in.
All the same, thank you.
I probably do need to tell you this, unlike a Rob Zombie movie the bible is reputed to encompass a span of thousands of years. On the other hand Rob’s movies span mere days so for me to pick violent passages in the bible encompassing days does it no injustice. I’m sure when Mr. Zombie does his future epic spanning thousands of years it will contain things “sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes violent, sometimes peaceful, but always interesting”. It’s easy to see why an excerpt from the bible of a few days could be more violence filled than Rob’s wildest dreams for a film. When Moses’ army defeated the Midianites (Num 31:1-54) they killed every male even the little ones, and kill every woman that had known man by lying with him. But all the young girls that had not known a man by lying with him they kept alive for themselves. They snatched 32,000 virgin sex-slaves so I don’t envision much love, happiness or good things during the gore filled days it took to kill everyone else." (Sounds like another possible Zombie script to me he could call it “City of a 100,000 Corpses”)
As for comparing the two bodies of work it in terms of complexity or depth I never did that ASSHAT! Now I understand why you have such a hard time understanding the bible, your reading comprehension SUCKS! You’re having trouble with just a few paragraphs. I was careful to be specific in the examples I gave, in most cases I pointed to exact passages. Even the dimmest amongst us must realize they are not the complete contents of the bible.** My point is that the bible is full of examples of mindless violence worthy of a Rob Zombie script, website or song, not that a horror movie entails the complexity or depth of a well-loved myth. Regardless of whether the bible has it good parts or not does not change or detract from my stated point one iota.** So if someone is” way off the mark” you’ll need to look in a mirror to find them. Quit trying to portray my position as something it’s not in a desperate (& LAME) attempt to be right in some way.
You must agree the word of GOD is truth and that the bible is the word of GOD right? Well truth leaves NO room for contradiction the moment a truth is contradicted it ceases to be true. (PLEASE remember you used the “C” word first not me) As a matter of fact you are the only person to use the word contradiction in this whole thread until now.
Well, I’m sure they don’t think they’re misunderstanding it, and the original authors aren’t exactly around to correct anyone. In any case, no one cites slasher movies as guidelines to live by, whether they’re interpreting the movies correctly or not.
WHATEVER! I QUIT! THIS IS STUPID! BUT DON”T THINK YOU”VE WON!
Hey wasn’t that Lance Armstrong’s victory speech? And to top it off we can think whatever we like! How gracious of you! Well you know some people just don’t take to programming like the rest of the Sheepole and that’s that.
Love Ya,
Rob Zombie
I don’t think either of them are “evil”, but those who want to stamp out glorifications of violence should first look at the things people actually look up to, before moving on to little-known movies by rock stars.