Can psychosis be diagnosed from BB posts?

Here’s a handkerchief to cry in. Can’t you fucking read? If you want people to think you’re your own person, have an original thought, post something of some relevance in some forum – shit, just pick one – and for God’s sake, quit whining.

And if you want people to think you’re NOT AgentNutJob, you might want to put some distance between yourself and “his” posts instead of repeatedly trying to draw attention back to them. If you want me to stop calling me the poser I think you are, take some of the advice that has now been posted like a dozen times, and take steps to establish your credibility. Hint: The Pit is probably not a great place to do that.


Jodi

Fiat Justitia

Oh, please.
Anyone here who actually DOES know some ‘secrets’ or works with classified material, won’t discuss it with you. People who are entrusted with national security secrets are, as a rule, people who understand WHY their information is secret, and who agree that it should be KEPT secret, and don’t disseminate it willy-nilly to every moron who asks. If they don’t have that mindset, then they don’t do classified work.
Now, there are those who, for one reason or another, take it upon themselves to decide that the classified material they have access to SHOULD be made public. (I refer you to Bill Gertz’ book “Betrayal”, an expose’ on the Clinton administration which contains some 60 pages of ‘classified’ documents and is very interesting. In fact, I think I’ll start a GD discussion on it.)
But people who have made that -very serious- decision- DON’T use forums like the BBQ Pit to release it. They just don’t.

Now, MikeylikesIT, what sorts of investigations into FORMERAGENT’s background have you conducted that leads you to believe his claims? And would you care to discuss the EVIDENCE?

At first I was sure that the pseudonmyical maniac was not from the LBMB. But after an incident last night, I’m not so sure…

Seems there is a frequent poster there, that likes to play with his other self.

(i’m sure someone will make a huge joke about that last sentence, but hey… they need feeding too)

pseudo1: i’m going to make a fruitless point on some thing or another and profess my belief in X

pseudo2: ooOOOooo you are sooo right mr. pseudo1, I couldn’t agree with you more…

yadda yadda yadda…

I think this is a good argument to take the free internet terminal out of the looney bins…

Peace.


† Jon †
Phillipians 4:13

NAV – It’s what we call the Sock Puppet Effect, where you assume another persona to reinforce yourself or to do something you wouldn’t want people to know the “real” you was doing. Then “you” make a point and your sock puppet exclaims over how brilliant it was.

I’m not usually as contemptuous as I’ve been in the last couple of days, and my attitude of late is prompted entirely by my firm belief that what we have here . . . is anothe sock puppet.


Jodi

Fiat Justitia

The nice thing about a board is that since these people are at a safe distance, it’s possible to derive some entertainment from the antics without any threat - just like watching the lunatics in Bedlam used to be.

Since this began as a “pick on Phaedrus” thread, I’ll add, even though we have not “met”, that taken as a whole, his efforts seem to me to have a certain ghastly fascination at this distance - but I don’t think I wd necessarily want to be sat next to him at dinner(but then again, that goes for a lot of the rest of the board too, and I’m sure the same can be said of me).

Overall, since it is so easy simply to ignore people if necessary, I really don’t object to visiting eccentrics or psychotics within measure; certifiability isn’t contagious. I think one Phaedrus does no harm, and indeed makes a desirable change from 300 identikit Yank teeny-tossers. On the other hand a single Phaedrus is probably enough. Like the Phoenix, there shd only be one per generation.

Mikey, yes, but I can’t tell you here. Go to the dumpster behind the supermarket at 12:23AM. Look for a big black crow. Tell him “the snow will fly tonight in New Orleans”. He will caw and fly away. Wait eight and a half minutes then make a 1/4 turn to your left. A red cardinal will show up with a folder stamped “classified”. The secrets are in there.

What I want to know is how often should one wash one’s sock puppet? Mine’s starting to stink.

Mine’s starting to think.

Well I was gonna post but I can’t now cause I’m laughing so hard over Minxmom’s post that I can’t see to type…


“Do or do not, there is no try” - Yoda

You wanna know something about me…ask me…not my friends…

Actually, Cowardly Pseudonym, an actual diagnosis of any type of neuroses requires a great deal of analysis into more than a few scattered posts from the subject(s) at hand. One can use dimestore psychology and assert that anyone who would continue to go to the trouble of engaging in this farce again and again and again is a consummate neurotic, a textbook loony, him what left his groceries at the supermarket. However, this case, as in many cases, leads me (and I’m sure I’m not alone) to believe that this is precisely what our individual wants: to glorify himself by having people assert he’s ‘insane,’ and by insane he feels ‘special.’ He’d love to believe he’s different in a purely psychological sense. But, as the time-lost adage goes, ‘Them whut’s crazy aint gunna tell ya so.’

Look at anyone who plays Dungeons and Dragons, or other RPGs. These folks are not necessarily suffering from MPS or (not to be confused with schizophrenia—they’re not the same thing). They simply enjoy actualizing fantastical given circumstances in order to experience the rush of taking risks they cannot take in real life, i.e., slaying dragons. One transfers this easily into the cyberspace arena: no one can see your face. I could be man, woman, muscular, scrawny, popular or a wallflower—no one will know.

At least, not at first. But we’ll get to that.

One can come up a somewhat accurate assessment as to whether or not one person is responsible for many pseudonyms. This is nearly rudimentary for anyone who has a even a modicum of observational skills and a memory. If I were to list the criteria for assessment here, many would no doubt giggle at how obvious they are; I will not do so, however, because I would rather our mystery perp figure it out for himself. To list the basic ground rules in character assumption, especially in the nom-de-plume, where the inflation of one’s socio-psychological aptitude is nearly impossible, would be unfair to him who’s trying so very hard to figure it out on his own. It’s much more fun to do it the hard way.

I will say one thing: in general, folks who lack attention in their lives will go out of their way to continue to draw focus by pointing the finger constantly back at themselves. (in this case, other pseudonyms) They don’t seem to realize that, while thinking themselves sly and hyper-intelligent, they betray themselves with consistencies of character, or threads, if you will, which string their dramatis personnae together. They ‘play’ at other characters without the proper psychological makeup applied. Sort of like Keanu Reeves playing at Hamlet: to borrow from playwright extraordinaire John Patrick Shanley, ‘ when [the stage] becomes a place for cowards masquerading as heroes, it becomes a boring travesty, abusive to the actors and audiences alike.’

I think this is happening here—except this is far from boring for this audience. The majority of the folks in this theatre are intelligent enough to know that, no matter how much makeup this actor wears, he’s no Gary Oldman (or Anthony Hopkins, plug plug) and he’ll be pegged time and time again as a ‘wannabe.’ This audience, upon seeing the cracks in the façade, will make every effort to get at the man behind the curtain and, once revealed, will unceremoniously oust him from the controls and play with him until he smartens up…or ceases to be amusing.

In which case, the performer is forced to don a new mask, one which hopefully fits better.

But I think you know this quite well.

Dontcha.

If we are out of our mind, it is for the Lord; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 2Cor.5:13

Nicely said, Pariah. For what it’s worth, my opinion is about the same. I would never dare try to diagnose someone’s mental condition based on BB posts. Diagnosis is tricky enough - and fallible enough, IMHO, when you’re working face to face with someone. The extremely limited amount of informaiton available over email is far too constrained to perform any sort of reliable psychological analysis.
And your other point is also well taken. Although it is possible for someone to successfully masquerade as multiple distinct individuals, it requires a great deal of effort and concentration. The person would have to develop distinct posting styles for the multiple persona, which are difficult to maintain for an extended time. It is very hard to keep track of which persona said what- which is why we see ‘crossovers’ such as were observed between The Finder and Formeragent. Comparable similarities were observed between Phaedrus and KGB, in a now (blessedly) closed thread. Also, unless the person is trying very hard, we see similarities in spelling, grammar, writing style, signatures, etc. which make it obvious to the astute observer that two or more persona have a single author.
Now, if someone were to successfully create multiple persona and keep them distinct- how would we know? We wouldn’t, of course.
And would it matter, for purposes of this forum?

Felice

“Everything, once understood, is trivial.” -WES

WOW, there is so much I could say. andros, anyone who knows you knows YOU are no coward, and I am not C.P.

C.P. you don’t have any idea how funny I thought your OP was! It is sad though that my original posting here in the “guise” of an old man, yada yada yada, made so many distrust me. I am all that I say that I am and nothing more. At first I bought everything FORMERAGENT said because I have known people in the bureau and he seemed a lot like some of them. I was in contact with the admins because I thought he was going to do damage to David and the thought terrified me. One of the posts I made during that time was made while I was crying. I spoke to Ed on the matter and he turned me onto some inside info that greatly relieved me and after that Mike/Mark just started looking more stupid as the time went on.

As to KGB, I fudged a little on that one. I know who he/she is and they have been given back their right to post. We are not the same person but we do know each other. I spoke with them today about the matter and I think they will probably post again in the “mammals” thread.

I know of a least two posters here who have at least three identities. I find it sad that someone could be so damaged to do such a thing. Maybe I am calling the kettle black because when I came here I “pretended” to be someone else. But the reasons that I did it have been disclosed many times.

As to the matter of whether a member could tell anything about another member psychologically from their posts? Yes, it is quite possible. Especially if the member is truthful about their motivations and thoughts.

C.P. It would be easy for me to figure out who you are if you continue posting here. Obviously, you are someone who does not like me. That means that in the past I offended you either one on one or posts I made disturbed you. Sorry about that. I can tell that you have reasons NOT to post in your real screen name, that is how easy it is to discern things about someone here.

A note to one of the people posting in a triple identity. Stop it! Your behavior is an embarrassment, to you, to me, and to the members of this board, even those who don’t know you are doing it. I have not decided whether or not to expose you, and if I do it will be for your own good. In your heart you are a good person, so STOP HIDING BEHIND MASKS! for crying out loud. I noticed with amusement when you started doing things to confuse the issue in a pitiful attempt to continue the ruse. Stop it now, I ask you nicely.

FTR, if anyone is THAT interested in whether the things I have said about myself are true I can and will provide any information about myself to verify it. I have correspondence from the FBI sent to MY address. I have video footage of myself on TV. I have pictures of me and my family that shows our Native Hertiage. I have already included the name of my company and the citation for the Superior Court case I argued. If anyone is THAT interested in my and MY doings I think they have a problem. C.P. you are one of the posters that posted to this thread already, stop it!

Peace

Ken

C.P. “I would really have liked to post this in GD, because I’d like to hear some serious
discourse on the subject.”

No, you would really like to post this in GD to discredit me. Try a foolhardy stunt like that and I will SURELY expose you, you AND your many e-mail addresses!

You make me sad. :frowning:

Phaedrus, nobody cares whether you and KGB were/are the same person or not.

This is a no-brainer. Yes, IF someone is perfectly upfront about their motivations and thoughts, then we can gain understanding of their psychology. There are three fundamental challenges, however.

  1. How can we ascertain whether or not someone is portraying their motivations and thoughts honestly?
  2. How can we be certain that we are interpreting their portrayal correctly, without being biased by our own perspectives and opinions?
  3. Assuming that they ARE being honest, and that we are NOT being biased by our own perspectives, how can we interpolate from their typed descriptions of their thoughts and motivations to their underlying psychology.
    All three of these challenges are very difficult issues which are always present in ‘real’ face to face counselling and communication and make psychological diagnosis as much an art as a science. In my opinion, based on the very limited information available from BBS postings, these challenges are orders of magnitude more severe and diagnosis is impossible.

Felice

“Everything, once understood, is trivial.” -WES

I concede all three points to you Felice. You are right. However, I have the ability to see behind the screen as it were. If we were to meet in person I could perform a simple test to prove my point. It is a simple parlor trick that I have used many times to amaze people that I don’t know very well. It goes like this.

You hold a dollar bill in your hand and have another person hold his hand with the fingers and thumb separated but not touching the dollar bill so that when I let go they should be able to grap it. With the time it takes to send a signal from the brain to the hand the bill will have fallen past the fingers. I generally do this about five times and then ask the person to do the same to me. I can catch the bill within five tries no matter who the person is. I have done this many many times. All I have to do it read VERY subtle clues, in gambling known as “tells” and I can predict within microseconds when they will let go of the bill. I have that ability. I also have the ability to read people with the slightest of clues.

Now as a skeptic you may disbelieve but I have used this “knowledge” here many times as well. It ain’t just pop-psych, babe, and it’s for real.

Ken

Though I have never participated in registering more than one name, I find great amusement in those that do. Thet’s part of the fantasy of a MB like this.

Were most of us sitting around a room in a social context things would be remarkably different. The rude, paranoid and abusive members would not amuse me in the slightest and I know for sure that I’d end up beating the living hell out of several people I’ve come across here. Online, things are different - I can relax, sit back and laugh at the varied psychoses encountered.

You can tell a lot about someone from their posts. Even the best actors put their guard down on occasion.

To the OP, I’m pretty damn certain that Phaedrus is 100% innocent of those charges.


Hell is Other People.

That’s “delusions of grandeur”. Provide support of your conclusions of grandeur, please (specific examples, photos, video fingerprints, DNA samples, etc).

Question everything.

One of the more popular uses of the internet has been to perpetuate hoaxes. I have received messages regarding missing children that are not really missing, spiders whose venomous bites have killed 3 people in Chicago’s “Blair Airport” and email tracking from Microsoft and AOL, just to name a few. My rule of thumb is verify before repeating or supporting. It only damages your own credibility when you support the ramblings of a phantom.

Yours seems to be irreparably damaged. Fix it by providing more than shadowy innuendo or drop it (something you keep saying you will do, but never follow through).


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips

Very well, go for it. I’ve been posting for a couple of weeks here, what I have said is a matter of public record, and I give you my word (for what that’s worth) that I have never prevaricated. Except once: my real name is not Felice.
So, based on what I have posted so far, what can you tell me about myself, my personality, my history, or my qualifications to say what I have said?


Felice

“Everything, once understood, is trivial.” -WES

Of course it’s possible to glean psychological inferences based upon an individual’s posts. I challenge any reader not to cull any form of analytic insight from what he/she reads! (Then we get into the whole subjective/objectove issue and the projection of personal experience versus non-prejudicial assessment based upon evidence alone and hamina hamina hamina) Unless one forms an opinion and places value upon the presented text, the reader might as well ‘read’ a stucco wall. (No blind jokes, please)

The value one places on the text they read can be determined primarily (but not exclusively) by prior experience with the author, intelligible and attractive presentation of ideas/position, and/or the personal experiences of the reader.

In addition to Felice’s previous—

Absolutely. I grew up learning ‘language is only the final ten percent of communication.’ Spending a great deal of my time in the study of human behavior, I stand by the concept if not the statistical accuracy.

Face to face, it is our body which speaks for us. (Barring no defect or handicap) Body language, ie., nervous ‘tics’, deliberate and unconscious articulations, ‘master gestures’, repetition, stuttering, loss of breath, muscular tension, weight distribution—all of these and many more are key factors by which a true portrait of an individual can be painted. One can have a pretty good idea of how someone’s day went by the first few moments upon entering a room before any words are spoken. In actuality, humans as a whole spend just as much time saying things they do not mean as they state their actual feelings.

“How was your day?” “Fine.”
“How do you feel?” “Okay.”
“What do you want to do?” “Whatever.”
“Are you angry with me?’ “Why do you ask?”
“What did I do?” “Nothing.”
“Do you want to talk about it?” “Well…”

By the time the actual grievance is addressed, in many cases it is exacerbated by all the hoops we jump through—there was never any doubt that something was wrong. It’s just a matter of digging into the scab, so to speak.
Online, there is no observation of any of the physiological criteria by which an observer can form an accurate assessment of psychological integrity. The ‘art’ which Felice refers to is diminished in deference to guessing games and shots in the dark.

Example: I’ll use one of SDHP’s posters, Satan, as an example. (Grazie encore, signore)
Upon using ‘Stan A.’ as a pseudonym on the LBBB, he encountered a few folks who picked up the acronym to ‘Satan’ right away. When confronted with the accusation, ‘Stan’ played offended; this kept others guessing and unsure as to whether or not Stan was ‘for real’ and a victim of a nasty case of unholy acronymy, or if he was, in fact, ‘hiding something.’ (Side note: I still cannot believe people gave you the ‘benefit of the doubt’ on that one, Satan. :))

In the immortal words of Peter Cetera: So, here we are again.

Anyone using repeated pseudonyms on a bulletin board like this…well, they’re getting the attention they want. Until they get ostracized. Then they do it again and again.

It’s unfortunate that some are so uncomfortable with themselves they simply cannot relax and actively participate in discussions, thereby garnering respect instead of misappropriated attentions, which serve only to further alienation and stunt intellectual stimulation and growth; as a result, they hamstring their own capacity to see themselves as something better than simply another mask to hide behind.

If we are out of our mind, it is for the Lord; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 2Cor.5:13

So many fish, such a small barrel . . .

Yes, Phaedrus, you are judged by your so-called “old man” persona. Because you lied repeatedly, we have no way of knowing that you are not now. Your credibility is indeed in question, and you are indeed a pot calling the kettle black.

It’s not a matter of skepticism. OK, so you can read physical tells. Whoop-ti-do. That certainly doesn’t make you psychic, nor does it mean you can understand someone’s psychological makeup. And if you’re so dang good, why aren’t you in Vegas winning the Poker World Series now?

I like Felice’s idea. You know my posts better than hers, I’m sure (unless she’s another friend of yours like the Cagey Bee (just kidding I swear!). Tell me what you have magically deduced about my psychological makeup online. Not stuff I’ve said in posts, but the “subtle” things. Am I on medication? Am I, as you called me, a misanthrope? Do I have kids? What food do I like?

OK, not necessarily those questions specifically, but you get the idea. I promise to tell you the truth if you guess correctly.

-andros-