Besides which…“stashing the gun” defies logic.
Let’s assume they have a gun.
They DON’T use it when shot at, instead they run away, hide said gun, and then return - unarmed, to where they got shot at? (potentially into the face of the very person that shot them)
Yep. That’s a real logical way to behave
Is that certain? The jury has not made a statement, so it’s speculation to say that that’s why a mistrial was declared. I’ve seen others speculate that the jury possibly agreed that it was murder, but not whether it should be 1st or 2nd degree.
That’s what I’ve read, but I’m waiting to hear what happened, and what happens next.
Did you actually follow the case?
The police revealed that neither Davis nor any of his companions had a criminal record.
Dunn actually whined about it to his fiancée on the phone, declaring that had to be wrong and that he didn’t believe it.
Did you read the case? One of Jordan’s companions was on felony probation.
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Let me start out with a much less bitchy post.
You’re right, I misremembered the conversation. Davis had no criminal record nor had either of the other two companions. Yes, one of his friends did have a felony for a third degree burglary which I don’t believe is even considered a violent offense.
However the point is that Davis, despite many protestations from our resident defender of the Emmett Till jury was not a “thug”.
I should have said in my post just mentioned Davis rather than including his companions.
Thankfully, Dunn will be spending several decades with some real “thugs” who will be happy to introduce themselves to him.
On another though somewhat related note which hopefully will be less polemical, is there really a point in retrying Dunn?
Yes, I and most other observers think he got away with murder, but most reports have pointed out that due to Florida’s 10-20 law, he’ll spend a minimum of 60 years in prison.
In that case, what’s the point of retrying him since he’ll die in prison anyway?
Isn’t it a waste of state resources and money?
Similarly, are the reports that he faces a minimum of 60 years correct?
Couldn’t the judge declare the three 20 year sentences are to be served concurrently?
Perhaps Bricker can answer the last two.
And there is no one happier about that than I am. I hope he serves all 75 years consecutively. And gets the rap for manslaughter or 2nd degree murder when he is mistried. In my opinion the reason he wasn’t convicted was that he was overcharged. What I was responding to is the characterization of the place I live in as a wild west town. Your “misremembering” certain facts furthered that. Thanks for the recognition. Truce?
Oh and as far as the sentence, they can be served concurrently but it is unlikely. Much for the same reason that he will be tried again. As you say the outcome is the same, life in prison. But…politics.
Obviously I meant retried rather than mistried.
No problem. The anonimity of the internet, the lack of consequences for things said on it often bring out the worst in us.
FWIW, I definitely object to such characterizations of Florida.
Personally, I think Zimmerman was guilty as hell, but I think all reasonable people would agree the jury made the right decision and I would have voted not guilty had I been on the jury.
I also think the same verdict would have been reached in any common law court(assuming Zimmerman had a legal right to carry the gun I say the UK).
As for the Davis case, I think lots of people on both sides, including many I respect, have been jumping to conclusions. This may very well have been just one juror who refused to convict and, with respect to Bricker, until we hear from them it’s premature to start talking about why the jury was dead-locked.
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I’m just gonna point out that every time I mention that that jury were correct, I also say that the judge, prosecution, and defence were a bunch of racists who colluded to ensure that the jury didn’t hear any evidence that would prove the defendant’s guilt.
If you’ve reason to think that this happened in the Zimmerman trial, or in the one we’re currently discussing, rather that the jury making a fully informed decision, please explain why.
Very good at restating the obvious. However, the physical evidence is definitely there that Zimmerman was assaulted, and the jury believed Zimmerman. Trying to second-guess them is pointless. Reaching for a gun, and panicking Martin? If Z was reaching for a gun (for which we have no proof), and Martin attacked him, instead of running, then Martin was a goner from his birth.
Juror #4 speaks out:
So it was 10-2 (and then 9-3) for a first degree murder conviction. Most of the jury thought Dunn committed first degree murder. Let’s see how the retrial goes, but Steophan’s claims of innocence (that he’s constantly walking back to one degree or other) look pretty ridiculous.
Indeed? So how long would it take them to stop by a sewer drain, open the car door, step out, and slide the shotgun into the drain?
Why, exactly, is that so impossible that it’s not even a “microscopic” possibility?
So, my reading of the 10-20-life statute is that the sentences need to run consecutively (there’s a remarkable amount of confusion about this; I think it’s becuase that the statute requires sentences pursuant to that statute to run consecutively to other punishments, and I guess it could be unclear whether multiple counts of the same crime constitute different punishments, I think they would). Either way, my sense is that the trial judge has the reputation of someone who would likely impose consecutive sentences anyway. So, it looks like Dunn probably faces 60 years minimum.
As to why retry him? I think the intensity of this thread is a good reason. I worked for state prosecutors office early in my career. In my experience, mistrials were not at all uncommon, usually becuase you had one or two holdouts (obviously, the point of a unanimous jury requirement is the view that the holdouts protect defendants from being railroaded) and it was just one of those things that you learned to accept (my first jury trial hung 11-1, I’m still angry about it). I think that the state won every retrial that I was there for.
Also, this is the team that prosecuted Zimmerman. They’re 0-1-1 in recent (racially-charged) cases (0-2 for the people who think that a mistral is “exoneration”). It wouldn’t be the worst thing for the system if they saved some face. But I say that as someone who thinks that Dunn probably should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder and that these controversies just increase the chance that someone who shouldn’t be will be convicted in order to placate the mob.
What sewer drain, counselor?
I mean, maybe they had time to stash it up a tree too; or possibly they just taped it up under the carriage of the truck and the cops didn’t look under there; or maybe it was some super Soviet made gun made of porcelain that melts when you sprinkle it with salt or something.
Fuck sakes … they didn’t have a gun. And the only reason to invent one is so that Dunn has an excuse to be the fuck head that he is.
Give it up.