Absolutely. Which is why it has to be dealt with on a case to case basis, depending on the evidence presented in each. This is also why, the historic allegation that succeed generally are those where there was a contemporary investigation which collected preserved evidence, or where other records, say of a coverup remain.
The Second Stone there is a reason why professional detachment is emphasised and why lawyers are advised not to make value judgements. If, the allegations against Cosby are true, he is not even the worst scumbag I have dealt with this week, despite all.
Faithfool, there were multiple allegations spanning several years and continents and were made by both children and parents.
The claims are all “sexual assault”, if I understand them correctly, but they’re not all “rape”. Some include groping, probing, etc., while others include full penetrative rape.
Of course, how many papers call up rape victims a year later or five years later to ask if they’re doing OK? Obviously, there’s not a lot. It’s not news. And how can you “prove” that someone’s career has been ruined? Maybe they never would have gone on to be successful in that line of work anyway. But I think being fired or otherwise held back from promotions is a pretty good indicator that women can get backlash in their careers if they come forward. And how many women will have the guts to file a suit after they’ve already been fired once for opening their mouths? Not 100% of them, that’s for sure. Those, we’ll never hear about.
But they all came from the same school and they all knew each other. Which is not the same at all, because what happened in that situation was that they corroborated their accusations and tailored them to fit a specific narrative. For they were all in cahoots together. Do you really believe that all these women, over all these years, not only knew each other, are dovetailing each other’s stories and they’ve been able to also time travel and go back and change information they gave at the time to now deride some old geezer to not get money from him, yet be castigated for their actions still? What??
I don’t think you followed all those satanic type and abuse allegations very closely, faithfool. It wasn’t just one case, it was several. And a number of people in different states and different cases served serious time for doing nothing. Not saying everything in Wikipedia is true, but you might just look at the variety of cases here. It’s very scary how someone’s life can be ruined in an instant by a false accusation, and (relevant here) how one accuser can stimulate others to make similar accusations. Again, not saying this is what’s going on, just saying WE DON’T KNOW what’s true. Not enough information to take sides.
Many hysterical allegations. Anyone who had doubts was shouted down. But- they were totally 100% innocent of all charges. Secret tunnels. Flying witches. Being flushed down toilets. NONE of that happened.
Yeah, DrDeth, I lived in LA then and I can remember looking at Mrs. McMartin on TV and thinking man, she is EVIL. And, I was WRONG. So maybe that’s why I’m in favor of the benefit of the doubt all around now.
Or go to a hospital because someone may have just gotten you pregnant or given you an STD? None of them?
Jane Doe 10 came forward today after 38 years and accused Crosby of drugging and raping her. What did she do? She came back and got put up in a penthouse for three weeks because her mom suggested getting some money out of him. Then Bill kicked her out after she claimed she was pregnant. Still she didn’t go to the police after being chained up in a penthouse for three weeks? Oh wait she wasn’t chained up she and kept coming around for 20 years. This is the type of witnesses they had against him in 2006? Meh.
Just stop. It’s painfully obvious that you don’t know anything about what kind of money a legal team can burn through. On top of that you clearly don’t know much about the situation if you think that’s where this is heading. Your opinion on this is worthless. Cosby is super wealthy, and will remain so.
So you admit there’s no actual harm to Cosby if we believe these allegations. Yet you want to condemn everyone who believes the allegations.
You have empathy not for the women, but for the guy you admit won’t be hurt in any real way. It’s more important to you that some rich guy’s reputation will be fine than to not condemn multiple possible rape victims.
That’s the misogyny, and it doesn’t matter whether you are male or female. You still elevate the man who will barely be hurt over multiple women. Even if some of them are lying, you condemn them all because you are worried about some rich old dude who will be fine no matter what.
But professional detachment applies solely to your profession. It is so you can get your job done. That’s it.
If a doctor was professionally detached from his beloved wife dying, people would be thinking some crappy things about him, too.
Professional detachment does not apply in this case unless you think you might be called upon to defend, prosecute, or judge Mr. Cosby in court.
Lawyers applying the ethics of their profession outside that profession is a lot of why lawyers have a reputation for being slimy or immoral. What you are required to do in the court room does not apply in real life.
Except that the only similarity in the allegations is that they both occurred long after the fact. The Satanic allegations were against multiple people in different situations. They involved people being hypnotized to recover past trauma. And they involved believing in an organization that hadn’t been proven to exist. They involved a moral panic based on something that doesn’t exist.
Rapists are real, unlike Satanic ritual cults. Celebrity rapists are real. The analogy fails.
Two out of three of those have already been shown up-thread. A good way to see whether the people “not taking sides” really aren’t taking sides is if they ignore evidence on one side.
I’d like to at least see Cosby’s bottle of pills and a toxicology report that they were found in the alleged victim’s system. Standard evidence in a drugged rape case that is promptly reported to the authorities.
Some extremely serious charges are being tossed around without anything substantiating them.
[Mod note: This was accidentally posted in another thread and moved to this one manually at 02:35AM GMT+1, which is why it was not a part of the discussion earlier.]
I thought he was talking about just the McMartin case and, as such, they all were feeding off each other. As for the rest, being a fundamentalist at the time, I was aware of the widespread panic that ensued after allegations cropped up all over the place and the resulting convictions. However, I’d contend that in each individual instance, the communities that spawned them, corroborated off each other in those cases. In each instance, I have no doubt that the so-called victims were in collusion with each other, all surrounding certain schools or particular areas. Here, there’s no such issue.
Anaamika made a quite lengthy and well-reasoned post, which you re-posted in full. She has raised a number of reasonable points, as have you.
Exactly what part of her post are you calling bullshit?
If it’s her suggestion that misogyny is raising its ugly second head in this thread, well I reckon she’s quite justified in making that complaint.
Would’ja look at that.
Charming ain’t it?
(BJ2, I’m assuming other posters have just decided not to dignify this with a response. But to clarify my feelings, that was really rather revolting.)
