Cat Whisperer: you wanted the big fella to, so here it is

The BBQ Pit
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Let’s do this chronologically, and examine your racist statement from the thread: “Canadian / European / Australian Healthcare Horror Stories” in IMHO linked here Canadian / European / Australian Healthcare Horror Stories - In My Humble Opinion - Straight Dope Message Board

Please note the time stamps.

01-15-2010, 05:13 PM Post #5 Poysyn gives the fuel to the racist remark. Snipped to show only the real starter of the racist statement.
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“It’s pretty well known that the Aboriginal people here face a lot of discrimination, and this is touted as heinous example.

How’s that?”*

01-15-2010, 06:08 PM Post #6 **Cazzle **gives a story related to thread title

**01-15-2010, 09:07 PM Post #7 **Hari Seldon gives another story

**01-15-2010, 10:32 PM Post #8 **your racist remark.

“I spent a year in northern Manitoba working in the hospital there - let me just simply say that Natives earn a lot of the discrimination they face.”

Okay first off, wtf? Why the fuck would you type that? Let’s work through the thought process of your retarded mind. For me when I type a reply post or even a new thread it takes time to think out what I want to say/type. My mind isn’t turned off like when I speak and words just come out of my mouth. Typing takes effort, pressing the button to confirm the reply takes some time, there’s even a preview option to see, hmmm do I really wanna show the world my flat out ignorance with a racist statement?

Mind you I understand there are instances where people do type as if they are speaking, that’s called stuff like instant messaging, where you are in direct contact with the audience whether it be a bunch of friends or just a single person. That’s where shorthand comes into play, but this is NOT that kind of deal. Look at the time delay between Poysyn’s story to you racist remark, 5 hours. And wtf, it isn’t even in line with this thread subject. You didn’t even use quotation marks to make “earned” look like it should mean something people can work with. It makes you looks like a fucking turd. Are you trying to pad your post count or something? You like typing so much that you have the urge just to blindly type shit and not think about it? Wait for a sec, it doesn’t seem so. You even stated in a post in your “mini-rant” thread this little doozie. *“You have the freedom to say what you want; it comes with the responsibility to think about what you’re saying and how it will affect your audience.” *

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12003836&postcount=215

Seriously, it’s like you wanted to make yourself look even worse, you can’t even do the shit you pontificate about. I call you out right after that nugget you gave me, and your reply was to goad me into pitting your racist retarded ass. You couldn’t say, let me retract that statement. You fucking GOAD me. Seriously.

01-16-2010, 02:46 AM Post #10 1920s Style “Death Ray” more elegant way of pointing out the racism in your remark.

Now follows a bunch of other stories related to the thread title. Then we get old_joe that comes out of the woodwork and gives me this nice reply. Seriously liberal and PC getting bandied about because I state a racist remark, turns to observational fact….

01-16-2010, 03:50 PM post #24

“Thats quite a liberal, PC thing to say. Have you lived near or with natives, I have. Have you ever had any native friends, I have. Have you ever been on a reserve or sleep there, I have. Have you pulled a man off his wife that he was trying to kill with a baseball bat, I have. Have you seen girl after girl molested by “uncles”, I have. have you seen a bathroom where the toilet was plugged and a chainsaw was used to cut a hole so that the waste went into the basement, I did. Have you seen the old lady that wants a ride into town and phones 911 to get one? Every month on chq day.
Have you talked to the teachers on the reserve whose students dont bother to show up and the parents dont care?
I have lots of good native friends so i am not anti-native at all. The fact is that there is a huge problem with the reserves and the system that keeps the native people dependent. Observational facts do not racist make.”

I reply soon after **01-16-2010, 04:07 PM **

*“so if i worked behind a cash register and all the black people i saw come in on the percentages of observation would steal, is that construed as a racist statement or observational fact?

I’ve in fact have been on a native reservation on a church missionary group and i know that the native canadians have a hard life. But thinking with that prejudice just pretty much gives you that horror story of having one die and not caring up above.”*

No response from good old_joe. or Cat Whisperer. Stories related to the thread title start pouring in. I didn’t want to hijack the thread with some twisted debate about racism in a healthcare thread so I created a new one titled “Racial Stereotyping or Observational Fact?” in GQ at 01-16-2010, 09:10 PM . Gets locked pretty fast, moderators want me to keep it in the same thread…okay….

Then I assume you saw the new thread that I created and got locked and you muster up some sort of courage to make a rebuttal and you give at **01-16-2010, 09:44 PM.
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“Do you really think no one cared in the hospital where the native guy in the story died? You really think that all the hospital staff said, “Oh, that’s just another drunken Indian - he can sit in the corner till he dies”? Some mistake was made here, no doubt about it, but I can tell YOU from working in a hospital in The Pas, MB, and a clinic in downtown Winnipeg that healthcare professionals do their best with all patients, even when those patients won’t look after themselves.”

You fucking try to defend yourself to me, just retract that statement from post 8 already. But no, you want to pontificate, inflate that post count of yours. I soon give you my response, I wanted to do some sort of quick succession arguing but you seem to fade away, ignoring me. 01-16-2010, 10:02 PM post #44 with *“so the statement you made of them “earning” the reputation isn’t racist? Please explain how there is no racial stereotype involved. Because my example:

I work behind a cash register, majority black people will steal from observation.

Is that not considered the same sort of statement you made?

And I’ll be the first to say that I am in fact racist, maybe not so overtly like KKK but I do have those shit moments where i’ll say something like ghetto trash ni–er, or asshole fuck j-w. I’m not perfect but saying what you said and having me reply isn’t some PC liberal bullshit, I’m pretty much stating what you said is racist.”*

I know I’m racist. I give you ammo to run your mouth to me. At this point I’m more surprised that not many other people come to point out an obvious racist statement. I guess since I am in fact well aware of my own racist attitudes I can pick up the subversive slurs a lot more easier than those who don’t think they’re racist at all or believe they’re not. Then I found that little doozie I mentioned above in your “mini-rant” thread and thus created this long-winded rant.

01-17-2010, 02:13 AM your* “You have the freedom to say what you want; it comes with the responsibility to think about what you’re saying and how it will affect your audience.”*

**01-17-2010, 02:47 AM **my response

01-17-2010, 01:10 PM your response.

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What is your point?

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my point is to shove it down Cat Whisperer’s throat.

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Shove what? What is the point that you are trying to get across?

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racist statement or observational fact? I say Cat Whisperer is a racist with some sort of brain malfunction who can’t even see it. That’s my point, gotta love how racism permeates at such subversive levels.

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This is one of those cases where reading the thread would be a lot easier than reading some cockeyed summary of the thread.

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OK. You say that you are a racist. You say that your dog is indifferent. In your opinion cat (whisperer) a racist.

(Muffin backs slowly away.)

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almost correct. my dog was indifferent. she died a year ago. She was yummy btw since I’m Korean (joke).

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Here, I’ll translate:

01-18-2010, 10:44 AM BMada starts this Pit thread. Here is a snippet of the thread title to give fuel to the fact that I came in here to read it:

“you wanted the big fella to, so here it is”

What does he mean by big fella? Is he calling me fat?

01-18-2010, 10:47 AM Muffin asks what his point is.

01-18-2010, 10:51 AM BMada tells a story related to the OP about what his point is

01-18-2010, 10:56 AM Muffin responds, possibly with racism

01-18-2010, 11:01 AM BMada posts his remark about Cat Whisperer’s racist remark

“I say Cat Whisperer is a racist with some sort of brain malfunction”

but then he follows it up with a statement about how much he loves pervasive racism

“That’s my point, gotta love how racism permeates”

I mean, wtf? Racism is bad. You shouldn’t love racism, or start Pit threads to help people who are racist because you love racism so much. I disagree with racism.

01-18-2010, 11:03 your response

01-18-2010, 11:15 my response

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Well I must admit that socialized health care in Canada does discriminate against dogs.

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Did her death make her racist?

Like some other people said, I don’t fully understand your pit. Cat Whisperer said that Natives deserve some of the discrimination they face, and you’re pitting him for that? Or am I misunderstanding?

I do agree with his statement, " The fact is that there is a huge problem with the reserves and the system that keeps the native people dependent.".

ETA: Now that Giraffe has cleared it up, I understand everything now. My God, it’s full of stars!

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deserve/earn with that sentiment you get that sad result of someone dying because the lack of care. Stating that, observational fact or racist statement?

I’m pitting Cat Whisperer because he/she said that “You have the freedom to say what you want; it comes with the responsibility to think about what you’re saying and how it will affect your audience.” yet not heeding his/hers advice and doing so with the obviously racist statement "I spent a year in northern Manitoba working in the hospital there - let me just simply say that Natives earn a lot of the discrimination they face.”

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It’s interesting that you left “admitting that what she said was kind of wrong and rephrasing it” (which occurred about 24 hours before this pit thread) out of the timeline.

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i didn’t omit it, i never saw it. could have placed it in the pit thread after “go for it, big fella” cuz that’s where I was tuning in.

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I don’t fully understand this paragraph:

But, I don’t agree with the statement “Natives earn a lot of the discrimination they face.”. For that matter, it doesn’t look like Cat Whisperer does either; he corrected himself later in that thread and clarified the statement.

But some of the problems that Natives in Canada face are of their own making. The high levels of substance abuse, the low levels of education, and so on on the reserves, for instance. Some of this can be blamed on government policies and past racism, but individuals also have to take responsibility for their own actions. If people would do that, and if the councils on the reserves would actively root out corruption and start serving their people instead of using their positions to maintain their own wealth and power, things would improve.

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So where does that leave this Pit thread? Are you going to ask to have this thread closed?

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the word “deserve” or “earn” is a very poor way to keep racist sentiment out. I understand that the Natives have the negative stereotype and they seem to perpetuate that stereotype.

What is this? an observational fact? because I see it often enough it must be true? or is it truly a racist statement? Old_joe seems to think it’s observational fact when trying to “tear me a new one”, is that what people think? Is this a common thought and feeling? Because if it is, we have a lot more racial stereotyping than I’d thought was present in this day and age.

Again, I know I am racist I mutter shit statements. However, my behaviour is only racist in nature when i see racial stereotypes being perpetuated. Reading that the Natives earn the discrimination is something that in fact what I would say too, but I know that it’s racist, seems like others don’t. And I wouldn’t fucking type that shit in a public forum with people that are presumably intelligent, racist shit I do is under my breath and in my head. People like Cat Whisperer didn’t and he typed it out, seriously TYPED it out, OldJoe typed his spiel about observational fact. Cat Whisperer corrected himself after how long a wait? After reading the new statement, how long did it take to realize this bullshit statement to fix it? I say too long. Shoulda been retracted/corrected instead of fucking goading me to make the next move.

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Cat Whisperer is AGIST not Racist. ;p

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more like agist AND racist.

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If your failure to read the thread was a result of your race, then by all means continue to rail against racism.