Of course he has.
And what we are saying is that a Democratic primary challenge helps Trump. Cenk Uygur is helping Trump. Dean Phillips is helping Trump. Marianne Williamson is helping Trump. And everyone who supports Uygur, Phillips, or Williamson is helping Trump.
Thankfully. Only a couple of delusional no-names.
Right, you can assert that, and I maintain the opposite.
And I can support what I’m saying with the polling data, the way Biden is covered on international media and the various tacit acknowledgements in this thread.
We’re playing a very dangerous game sticking with a candidate that we think is too fragile to even survive a primary.
Let’s hope we don’t need it. Let’s hope trump is in jail, or not on the ballot (I’ve given up hoping MAGA supporters will wake up).
Oh, and this:
People seem to have short memories in the current climate. Prior to the primaries, trump was relying on stunts like co hosting a boxing match, and much of the support, and money, was flowing to De Santis.
And now, we’ve had a primary that has absolutely solidified trump’s grip on the party.
Of course the situations are unalike in many ways but the point is, the primaries helped trump and they could help Biden too.
…except we all know they wouldn’t. We know that Biden will look frail and slow on the debate stage and that’s why I’m worried about the actual election
We don’t think that. Carter wasn’t “fragile” in 1980 – but he was still damaged by Ted Kennedy’s run against him. Any incumbent is damaged by a real primary challenge. Hopefully Biden won’t be so challenged, since, barring a big health incident, he’s going to be the nominee.
Is this Earth you’re living on? On my planet, Trump has had a “solidified grip” on the Republican party since roughly January 2017. The primary hasn’t changed that, but it may (hopefully) push a few otherwise Trump voters to doubt him a little bit, or consider other candidates, and be a little less excited (and thus less likely to go out and vote) to vote for him on election day.
We don’t know this, but if you suspect it, then you should be doing everything you can to help him now, so any potential poor debate performance (which I doubt – chiefly because I seriously doubt Trump will attend any debates) is made up for by solid performances around the rest of the campaign.
Even if you’re right about this (and ignoring some of the reasons I gave for why trump was starting to lose interest prior to the primaries), it’s still conceding the point.
The point being put to me, was that primaries are inherently damaging, I said that they haven’t been for trump and you’re conceding that that’s true.
You’re now merely hoping that the primaries might damage him, eventually.
For what it’s worth, I share that hope. It doesn’t really change the point though.
I care more about a democrat winning than Biden winning. So no, that doesn’t necessarily follow.
Supporting delusional egotists like Uygur or Phillips only helps those delusional egotists, not the party.
Trump isn’t the incumbent so it’s not a good comparison. He is now going through a process where the rest of the candidates have to explain why he shouldn’t be president. You even have Christie actively saying how bad he would be as president. The effect of that on a current president is ten times worse. It’s not that it would be bad for Biden, it’s bad for any president and history has shown it.
That doesn’t sound like you want a robust primary. It sounds like you are against Biden.
Carter defeated a republican incumbent tainted with the controversy of their administration, went through an inflation crisis that was improving by the next election and had to deal with an ongoing conflict in the Middle East. He was weakened by a primary challenge and lost to a republican and the party held the presidency for the next 12 years. Nope can’t see any parallels there.
I’m what sense delusional? Cenk has said he has no realistic chance of winning. The idea is solely to provoke a real primary.
That’s delusional.
Well he’s full of shit. A real primary comes with a real candidate. A fake candidate provokes nothing but he hopes a few more views.
He kind of is though. He’s the clear leader of the republican party, going for his second term. I don’t really get how anyone can claim that being attacked on your record is different for Biden Vs trump.
In any case, a primary doesn’t inherently have to be negative; democrats could simply argue that Biden has done a great job (along the way countering much of the misinformation about the economy), and should now hand over the baton.
I’ve written multiple posts at this point, saying that Biden’s done a great job, on the economy and legislatively, and deserves “all the plaudits in the world”.
It’s sad that your only possible counter to what I’ve been arguing here is to try to misstate my position so egregiously.
How does it compare to the number of posts calling him weak?
Awwww, this is so cute! Maybe they could exchange flowers and butterfly kisses on the stage?
I don’t think I’ve used the word “weak” but I have said he appears frail and slow, and is failing to get his message out.
And no one has disagreed with me on any of this.
The closest we’ve had to a counter is one poster who thought he’s not that much slower now compared to 10 years ago.
Yeah; people run in primaries because they want to tell voters “I’m better-suited for the job than anyone else who’s running.” (And, sometimes, because they want to build “brand awareness” for a future political bid.)
If someone wanted to participate in the primaries simply to say that “Biden has done a great job,” they should do so as an active supporter, and campaign for Biden, not as a rival candidate, campaigning for themselves.
Nothing’s been offered to support the supposed weakness of Biden except his age and a perception by some that’s he’s lost a step. The polls mean literally nothing and should be ignored until the general election.
With this in mind, it’s nothing more than a fantasy to suggest someone else might win the primary. Biden isn’t perfect, but no candidate is. Fantasies aren’t going to help the party.
That wasn’t a counter to the idea that he appears slow. Rather, he has always appeared slow. In other words, it was a problem he had in 2020 when he beat Trump. It will continue to be a problem in 2024 when he beats Trump again.
Honestly, I should have gone back just 4 years and not 10, but I wanted a random example to show a video from a time that most voters might imagine as a very different Biden, when he campaigned as VP and was the first exposure most people had to him. If you look, it’s not really that different. He has always been a lousy speaker for speaking slowly and making gaffes.
Regardless, my opinion (and others may disagree, it’s a subjective opinion) is that he was never the quick-talking firebrand for as long as he’s been a household name. I wanted something people could actually look at and compare themselves than repeating another person’s opinion they read or heard somewhere. I had hoped a visual aid might help.
But again, I don’t disagree that those are weaknesses, but I disagree with Cenk and other misguided individuals that they are enough to make Biden worse than another candidate. If Democrats have a serious primary, that’s showing a severe and rare lack of faith in the incumbent and a huge division in the party. It would be worse from a PR perspective than the fiasco the Republicans have gone through recently in the House. A united Democratic Party would look so much better than a Republican Party that clearly can’t get their shit together. Don’t give up that advantage.
Exactly! Biden has one qualification that no other candidate or potential candidate has, and it’s a big one. He’s won an election for President of the United States and served 4 years in that role. There is no other potential candidate with that particular experience and record. Not only that, he won against the same candidate he’s probably going to be up against, and it wasn’t a particularly close race, bullshit nonwithstanding.
Yes, he’s old and he’s 4 years older than he was 4 years ago. He’s never been a particularly dynamic or charismatic speaker, and he wasn’t my first choice in 2020. But he got the job done.
His press coverage isn’t helpful, it never is. Yes, if you Google “Biden speaking” you’ll get hits that make him look horrible, because that’s what gets the clicks. And - and this is a constant distress for me - there are way too many liberals and independents that have fallen victim to the constant stream of neuro-linguistic programming spouted by the right wing……SENILE! DEMENTIA! ……which has as much basis in reality as RADICAL SOCIALIST! FASCIST! and the other bullshit they spout.
Remember how the Republicans were spouting the same crap 4 years ago, then they had to start rumors about Biden taking “smart drugs” before the debates.
Yes, if some rising star that generated excitement while unifying the party appeared out thin air and started polling at 70%, I might consider suggesting that Biden should step aside, but that’s a fantasy.
Biden might not be the best candidate, but he’s better than any alternative.
And someone like that asshole Cenk Whatshisname, whose completely toxic to women and couldn’t even break 10% in a California congressional race, is not a better choice than someone that’s proven he can win.