As I have admonished no one, your point is not really relevant.
You are just digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole, tomndebb.
The second quote suggests that tomndebb was not posting qua moderator in this case. The first makes it a bit murkier.
Here is the rule:
So the problem, to the extent there is one, is that the discussion of board policy and adminstration is taking place in the Pit in the first place. I’m not going to move it now because it’s obviously an intense argument and it’s been going on for a while. Since **tom **said it was ok to insult him in this case, I don’t need to resolve any more complicated issues. If you wish to insult him in this thread for something he’s said in this thread, you may do so.
Gfactor
Pit Moderator
Thank you for the clarification.
Regards,
Shodan
Gfactor, I opened a thread in ATMB asking Ed to remove Cesario from the SDMB and report him to the authorities. That thread was closed immediately for reason of ATMB not being the place to demand the banning of a poster.
Would opening up a second thread in ATMB taking the PTB to task for your collective decision to permit Cesario to continue here be permitted, in light of the first thread’s closure?
Lack of an alternative forum was one of the reasons I allowed this thread to include discussions of the sort you describe. I’ll ask about a second ATMB thread. In the meantime, as I’ve indicated, you are free to continue the discussion here.
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Gfactor**
Pit Moderator
Thanks.
Open racists, sexists and holocaust deniers, repulsive as they might be, will find no further encouragement on this message board.
In this particular case however, the mere fact that ther merits of pedophilia are open for discussion adds legitimacy for the inclination in the mind of the pedophile involved and thereby provides a potential danger to some unknown future child.
Tell me it isn’t so.
He’s having a seat right over here.
While the poster in question is clearly in need of treatment for his mental illness (no other characterisation is possible for someone who thinks small children can consent to his perversions; of course other things come to mind besides treatment), assuming this is not an elaborate troll, I don’t get the calls for banning. Many a poster here is rather happy to call for banning.
If our pervert is not in fact an elaborate troll, letting him dig in deeper while admins monitor in fact may well be rather more useful than banning now and making a useless call to some authorities who have nothing to act on.
I don’t think he should be banned, I just think he needs to stop talking about kiddy-fucking. There is some precedence on the Dope for certain posters being asked to refrain from certain topics. (For example, handy was asked to refrain from posting in medical topics.) I don’t see why we can’t tell cesario that he’s welcome to hang out on the boards as long as he shuts up about fucking little kids.
I’ve read through most of the threads in question, and I don’t remember any discussion of the “merits” of pedophilia. What I’ve seen is an admitted pedophile explaining his attraction for pre-pubescent children and his wish that he was able to pursue that attraction legally, along with attempts to justify his feelings. All of his posts have been met almost exclusively with derision, disgust and the occasional thinly veiled threat of violence. I cannot recall anyone saying anything that could remotely be considered “adding legitimacy” to his inclinations. He certainly finds much less support for his views than I’ve ever seen anyone else receiving.
I can’t speak for him (nor would I want to) but I fail to see how continuing to allow him to post in any way “legitimizes” his views. Banning him would serve no purpose but to give some members the feeling that they have taken some action to protect his “future victims” and establish that they find him not worthy of being here. I think that they would be wrong in the first of these, and could do the latter by either ignoring him or refusing to engage him in further discussion.
To be fair, threads are started by others which reference him, so I guess he feels either obligated or tempted to respond.
A better idea might be to have a moratorium on threads about paedophilia for a while.
It isn’t so.
This notion that simply discussing the merits is tantamount to approval is bullshit.
I actually have something nice to say about Cesario: he could teach **curlcoat **a lesson or two on how to respond to multiple posts. There but for the grace of Buddha goes 37 pages of ickiness.
Now, excuse me while I go take a shower.
At any point in this whole mess (which I refuse to read word-for-word) has Cesario admitted that he is not normal and has a problem?
It appears not, quite the opposite. However, one can only read so many posts by such a person… before it comes mentally unpleasant, so actually let me agree with Batty:
His mastery of the multiple post quote function is laudable.
While think banning is unnecessary - and there’s far too much of a “burn (ban) em, she’s a witch” thing going on, hardly need a dialogue with this creature.
Wasn’t Evil Captor asked to limit his posts about bondage?
Whatever. It’s your life.
Uh, good. I’m not interested in you either.
I was responding to the idea that being a pedophile is something everyone would find unacceptable in a partner. People can’t help their sexual attractions and their feelings and thoughts (manage them, yes, but you can’t help that they pop up in the first place), and I don’t like the idea that some people should be universally discarded just based on that.
I’m sure there are things I can’t help but feel and be drawn to that others would find distasteful or abhorrent (homosexual feelings, death, and torture/killing, mainly) and I don’t think that makes me a completely horrible person who should be taken out back and shot. Granted, pedophilia is viewed as particularly awful, but I think the principle stands - that we are what we do.
I imagined someone coming in and saying, so you’d date Cesario? My comment about your resentment being more of a problem was meant to forestall that.
Not to mention that none of that is illegal (well, the last is if you live in Germany, but that’s about it)
supergoose, I think people are more upset at homosexuality being compared to pedophilia.
Oh, and Cesario, it doesn’t matter how “big” or “small” you are, a little girl’s vagina is NOT ready to have sex. She’s not going to be lubricating, I would imagine (good god, I think I need a drink…and a long, hot shower with a brillo pad)