Child Porn V Rape

Great Debates
#1

I believe that an awful lot of so called “paedophiles” (and I use that term to mean real paedophiles, not men who appreciate the form of a typical fourteen year old’s body - indeed anyone that doesn’t is not a real man) are actually rape fantasits.

My logic is thus:

  1. It is very difficult to get ahold of videos of real rape.
  2. It is (apparently) fairly easy to get ahold of child pornography.
  3. Real child pornography, by definition, involves rape.
  4. Therefore if ones fetish is rape, one might have to settle for child pornography.

This leads onto another more interesting question, which is directly analogous to this one:

  1. 8 people are dying, for need of organ transplants.
  2. You can kill 1 person, take their orgrans, and save the 8 people.
  3. What do you do!!?!?!?!?!?!?1

And so the idea is: should we release rape videos to prevent child abuse?

I can offer neither cites nor figures. I am neither Pete Townsend nor Chris Langham. I have not been doing any research.

#2

Hoo boy. The term you’re looking for when it comes to fourteen year olds would be “ephebophile”, but other than that i’m not touching this statement with a barge pole.

Anyway, while I imagine you’re right in saying video of actual rapes is probably not that easy to come by, i’m sure there’s plenty of acted rape videos. And this still doesn’t get around the problem that you’d still need to find rape of a small child arousing; would you imagine a male heterosexual rapist would be happy with male-on-male rape? I don’t think that having one of their sexual preferences present (the rape itself) would outweigh something that most people would find entirely un-arousing (sexual behaviour with a small child). IOW, I don’t think someone could “settle” like that when something they find entirely unappealing is present.

I’m slightly concerned also that you put an “apparently” in for getting child porn, but not one for rape. I’m hoping it’s an oversight.

#3

Playing with hypotheticals here. If pedophiles have a preference for rape of adults over rape of children, why would they try to **actually rape ** children instead of adults? Sure, the risk of getting caught is smaller, but raping someone presents huge risks, period. Humbert A. Sociopath would try to maximize his gratification by raping adults. How would you account for all the child rape that does not involve pornography?

#4

You’re saying we should make rape videos ourselves in order to satiate pedophiles’ desires, desires which are currently being satiated by existing child pornography rape videos? How does this fix anything? Same number of rape videos, just non-pedophiles doing the raping and non-children getting raped?

Or is your theory that there aren’t currently enough rape videos on the market, and that’s why child rapes happen, so we have to step up and fill in the gap where the child pornographers have failed, by releasing more rape videos ourselves (which will be beneficial in that every 1 rape video we release has enough exposure to prevent multiple child rapes)? I suppose you must be, since that makes marginally more sense.

(I can’t believe I’m discussing this like this…)

#5

Advocating rape is grossly unacceptable.

#6

Also, not all child molestors are actually raping their victims. That is, they’re obviously taking advantage/doing illegal things, but many of them fondle/touch children inappropriately and then mange to convince themselves that they’re not hurting the child, that the child is physically okay, etc. This doesn’t fit into a traditional rape sequence at all.

This article that I read in the Times a while back, would suggest that most people who are looking at child pornography are also molesting children. There are flaws in the study, granted, but it is a start. Your claim that most people who look at child porn are only doing so because they lack rape porn would indicate that these people really enjoy adults. But they’re going after adult victims. As Paladud points out, why aren’t they raping other adults?

#7

Wow, I can’t say I agree with your logical progression from “rape fantasy” to “pedophile.” I think rape fantasies are pretty weird as far as sexual quirks go, but they’re still a far cry from actual child rape.

I do know that the Pit thread concerning our dear shopkeeper is going to be interesting for a few more days at least though.

#8

I honestly don’t know.

It wasn’t an oversight as such. I just didn’t feel the need to put it there, whilst it is essential that I don’t appear to be a paedophile, given the current situation.

But for your benefit: I haven’t searched for that sort of thing either.

#9

I think that there a lot more sharers of child pornographers than there are child rapists. Simple maths proves that.

#10

Nope. That just came to me whilst I was posting the thread, and I thought it was an interesting my idea. The main focus of this thread is whether child pornography is a substititue for rape pornography.

Again, that isn’t my main thesis, and in fact I don’t believe that (for the same reason that I don’t agree with diverting the train into the river to save the fellow with the cancer cure, I suppose). I just thought it was an idea worth putting out there, and I would rather that it wasn’t the focus of the thread.

#11

Your link goes nowhere, but I really doubt that that is the case, as it wouldn’t fit in with other types of pornography.

Let’s face it: It’s very hard to get away with rape.

#12

There are more people (in industrialized societies, anyway) looking at porn than there are having sex, period. One activity requires less investment of time, energy, risk, and money than the other.

Assuming that child pornography is an inferior good for pedophiles, it still makes perfect sense for them to watch it if it yields greater utility per unit of resources (time, energy, risk, money) than adult rape videos. If the pedophile has a high budget of these resources (say, a servant who does nothing but searches for rape porn all day), he will opt for the adult videos.

Actual rape is closer in expenditure of the same resources between the adult and child categories. Your hypothetical pedophiles have a preference for raping adults. It would make no sense for them to rape children without the massive disparity in costs, and they would stick to adults. If your favorite pub served Budweiser (the American, piss-flavored kind) and Guinness with only a slight difference in prices, you’d be an idiot to get the Budweiser.

#13

I’m talking about things from the adult rapists’ perspective. I think we perhaps have things the wrong way around.

But I am pleased that I am on a board where people understand the meaning of an inferior good :slight_smile:

#14

Never mind…

#15

No, you’re wrong about this. Pedophiles really ARE sexually attracted to young children.

Consider Japan, which has plenty of rape porn AND plenty of pedophiles.

#16

If this is really true, it is rather revolting. I cannot see how more people could be attracted to children than they could be to rape. The latter, after all, was normal until relatively recently. The former, not so much.

#17

Different people get aroused by all sorts of things. Years ago I was part of an online writers forum that had a regular contributor who liked to have sex with horses. So much so, in fact, that he kept a female pony in a shed outside his house for just that purpose. He was (just barely) tolerated by the other members because he was in the process of writing a book about his love for his filly and he managed to confine his discussions of horse-love to requests for critique of his prose.

This wasn’t the case of the stereotypical farm boy who fucks the livestock because there aren’t any girls around. This guy really did prefer horses to human women.

#18

But you see how this is an anecdote? Traditionally, almost all human sex was rape (or at last the wifes didn’t have much of a say). Although once can find paedophilia - and bestiality - in ancient texts, it simply isn’t as popular as rape.

#19

“What do you do!!?!?!?!?!?!?1” Not making imbecilic arguments based upon transparent logical fallacies might work for a start. And you might want to talk to someone regarding your apparent obsession with rape, child molestation, videotaping thereof, et cetera.

Who was the guy who used to post all of these absurd conundrums, a la “if you had a gun and saw a child trapped under a burning car would you shoot them in the head?” It was so much more pleasant after he burned out and faded away.

Stranger

#20

Name the logical fallacy. That is a well known moral conundrum.

Earlier on I would refute this. But at this stage: cite? This is utter crap.

And the rest of the post too.