There’s angry, then there’s legitimately angry.
Pissed off that your post was mod-noted or warned because that’s a violation of my freedom of speech! is neither legitimate nor important.
Pissed off that somebody’s posting crap that could get you hurt or even killed in the real world is an actual concern.
Exactly one of those things is more important than some message board’s rules.
That’s absurd. If you are “angry over lots of stuff” and have no cogent argument or justification for your anger, you won’t control anything.
Who in this thread mentioned freedom of speech?
It was an example. Don’t try to sidetrack.
I fully agree with Helena’s opinion of Dale’s comment, and disagree with Dale’s assessment of women’s sports. Having said that, I don’t think Chronos necessarily made the wrong call. Helena’s infraction was black-and-white, and the mods gave her a warning even though they agreed with her sentiment. They were simply being objective. As for Dale, he provided a general but unpopular opinion, but it wasn’t directed at any one person (including Dopers) and he didn’t otherwise seem to be instigating anything. His punishment is actually much worse than Helena’s, as we now have an even better understanding of what kind of person he is. Even though Helena got the warning, she came out on top.
The only thing I know about Dale is that he really doesn’t like women. We’re all gold diggers to him, it seems. I was not surprised to see his response in the Olympic thread. Women can’t win with him whether they’re going after his gold or their own.
I can’t help but feel pity for him. He’s shortchanged himself.
I’d like to add my wishes that you’ll stick around Helena.
It’s unfortunate that people just go straight to the stronger of the terms as a synonym for everything, because it ends up diluting the seriousness of the latter and contributing to a society where everything is an outrage, instead of just warranting an eye-roll or maybe a mild put-down.
Saying “Women shouldn’t work, they should be in the kitchen and looking after babies” is misogynist nonsense. Assuming a the young woman at a meeting will be the one organising refreshments is sexist - there’s not generally an assumption she isn’t good enough (or shouldn’t) be doing anything else, it’s just that “Women make the coffee, right?” (this assumption is incorrect, obviously).
Yeah, but it’s one of the things that drives language-change. You’ll also see minimalization sometimes, where the weaker of the terms is used. It wasn’t rape, it was sexual assault. (At least to me, rape is the stronger term there.)
ETA: Just to add that I don’t disagree with you. It’s human nature to try to paint ourselves or our friends or those on our “team” in a more beneficial light while painting the worst picture we can of our opponents.
Agreed on that minimisation front too. And I’m not a fan of the euphemism treadmill and while I appreciate language changes, I am concerned by the loss of subtlety of differentiations in communication that the trend towards being outraged by everything (and associated I Am More Outraged Than You displays) causes.
Thank you. I had no idea.
That rape warning wasn’t even the first problem he had with the issue. As Miller stated in that thread:
In other words, that controversy came on the heels of being asked to not discuss sports-related rape accusations. So this most recent topic ban on women and sports is basically just another example of his problem with women and sports.
Here is the “guidance” to knock it off that I believe Miller was referencing:
Just to provide a little more context to what was going on prior to that warning.
I know that this has been a tough couple of days for the Mods. And I disagreed with some of the decisions. That said, I do appreciate you guys. Thanks for continuing to reconsider things.
Ding!
“Give that man a Kewpie doll!”
Sexual assault is a broader term, not minimalization. Sexual assault that does not meet the legal criteria for rape can be violent and traumatizing.
He’s gay so I guess he doesnt care what they think.
Generally, yes, I also trust their judgements on most things, but it’s clear they have a couple of blind spots. Not because they’re not good folks, I know they are. But they’re not the most diverse bunch, and that affects how they see things as far as modding the whole misogyny thing goes.
The latter often follows the former anyway. Especially when a significant percentage of one’s previous contributions to the board are covered by the topic ban. It’s only a matter of time.
More time he can spend on continuing making the experience of women here a hostile one - even if it’s just one more misogynistic post before his banning. What’s the value in that?
Oh, so do I. But it’s a common sentiment esp. with the Olympic Games going on, thus the Overton window is shifted to the point where I wouldn’t expect it to be out of line to hear someone say women’s sports are unwatchable. In fact I did hear someone say that, right after watching the group rhythmic gymnastics finals.
~Max
That’s your specific experience.