CIA - Peace Corps connection

CIA regulations ban the use of journalists, clergy and U.S. Peace Corps volunteers overseas as undercover operatives. Peace Corps regulations prohibit anyone who has worked for the CIA or the U.S. military (in the last five years, or for some such period of time) from serving as a Peace Corps volunteer.

And yet the rumor persists, particularly outside of the U.S., that the Peace Corps is a front for the CIA and that PC volunteers are working as spies. I served in the Peace Corps myself and have never seen any evidence of this. I think it’s a dangerous myth and I argue with people who say it (for many people in the developing world, this can be the only reasonable explanation for why Americans would voluntarily give up a life of luxury to live and work without running water, electricity or use of a car).

But now I’m curious. Is there any evidence anywhere of Peace Corps having been infiltrated by the CIA or anyone having been used as an undercover agent by the CIA while serving in the Peace Corps?

Well, since you were in the Peace Corps and never noticed it, the only other person who could tell us would be a CIA employee. And unless Shodan is actually George Tenet, I don’t think you’re getting any info out of them. :smiley:

I don’t have the sources at hand, so I apologize for the poor cite. There has been congressional testimony about CIA operatives positn as Peace Corps volunteers. The CIA did not “infiltrate” it’s members, or recruite Corps members while they were on assignment, but did use the role of Peace Corps volunteer as a cover role for some of its operatives. I suppose it’s a fine distinction, but the difference the CIA drew was that the cover role was short-term and temporary.

O.K., I don’t think there’s any such thing as a straight answer when it concerns the CIA. First of all, if journalists haven’t been used by the CIA, I’ll kiss W’s ass.

Second, I’ve read that USAID was pretty much infested with spooks, though again, there’s no such thing as a straight answer when it comes to this stuff. Perhaps folks confused USAID & the Peace Corps…

AFAIK, the term “operative” has always been a wiggle word: devoid of official meaning, and mostly used for rhetorical effect. It implies a fair degree of central control as well as positive action (vs. merely providing information), but those are only implications. Special Forces doing recon have be called ‘operatives’ in some settings, as have “locals” cooperating (even unknowingly) with the CIA. A “foreign operative” might be a KGB officer or a neutral national acting (unwittingly) under his control. Like related usages (e.g. “that statement is no longer operative”), “operative” was somewhere between officialese and slang lingo.

There are laws against revealing the identities of “agents” (e.g. 50 U.S.C. sec. 421) and “sources”, but none protecting “operatives”, AFAIK.

This isn’t mere nitpicking. A CIA regulation may prohibit the hiring of a journalist as an employee (though I’d love to see a cite of even that), without affecting, in any way, the use of a US journalist as a source – even a paid one. Why not? It’s a hoary official policy to recruit or make use of foreign journalists whenever possible – almost any good book on Cold War operations will cite many examples.

I find it implausible that the Agency would draw an impenetrable line around any class of American citizens with potentially valuable information, access or skills. Even if such a regulation existed, the Agency has never shown much respect for such niceties of detail. If such a regulation didn’t exist, I would expect our government -or any government- to spread the impression that it did. There is no law, AFAIK, against desseminating false information about laws and regulations. [The impact of such a law on the SDMB would be incalculable.]

I’d cite specific examples of journalists involved in US intelligence operations, but short of being an assassin what would make one an unarguable “operative”?

Now that I think about it, there was a public furor over this very issue after the Daniel Pearl killing. If there was an official regulation or law using US journalists as “operatives”, the journalists themselves weren’t aware of it --else the American Society of Newspaper Editors would not have sent this March 2002 letter to the Director of Central Intelligence urging that such a policy be adopted! Instead, they’d have been waving that regulation like a flag in the hope of protecting the lives of their reporters (and friends) in the field.

This suggests that if such a policy exists–if!- it’s very recent, and may only be a public relation policy, not binding. I’d be happy to shown otherwise.

Reviving an old thread, is there any more info since 2004? USAID etc certainly is full with CIA, would the Peace Corps be any different?

The CIA would try and stay away from using NGOs as it puts those people in danger. Not saying it doesn’t happen. Here is a case where they sort of set up their own NGO - to try and get bin laden using a vaccine drive as cover:

This type of stuff has ramifications:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/cia-vaccine-ruse-in-pakistan-may-have-harmed-polio-fight.html?pagewanted=all

There are a whole lot of conspiracies in the Arab world - and anything we do like that feeds into it. But even if we did zero - they would still think we were.

Leaving that aside, why would CIA not use Peace Corps. Various agencies world wide employ their government organisations, the British Council is used by SIS for example, and it does not have to be for nefarious purposes, simply tell a volunteer to keep his eyes and ears open and report something interesting,; which is what they would do anyway. A formal ban on it seems a no brainer as frankly no one, whether those evil, conspiracy loving Arabs of DataX post nor any other party would believe anything is spy free, hell the cultural attache is a spy is a well known trope.

Peace Corps folks have a tough enough time out in the boonies without being suspected of being CIA operatives. It would endanger all of them, if agents were suspected in their ranks. Both AID and the State Department have agents in them, and I would think that it’s enough. Also, I think a CIA agent would stick out like a sore thumb as a Peace Corps volunteer.

In many parts of the world, being American is enough to be suspected of being.a CIA spy. I do not see how Peace Corps membership would bring additional acrutiny.

It’s hard to think of a worse cover than “Peace Corps volunteer.”

Being a Peace Corps volunteer is to experience the most astounding lack of privacy. In Cameroon, I’d often wake up to the small faces of curious children pressed against my window, wondering what I was doing so late on a Saturday morning. If I received a guest, I could expect my neighbors to come over with food (can’t have guests going hungry, and god knows what that nutty foreigner cooks) within half an hour- and I’d hear questions about how my “sister” or “brother” is doing for months after. If the guests were foreigners, usually a kid would spot them on the road into town and come breathlessly to my house to announce the unusual event. I’d often visit my neighbors and find their homes festively decorated with the Doritos wrappers and powdered milk cans I so carelessly tossed in the trash. If I wanted to buy a beer, I’d have to carefully conceal it in my bag as I walked home unless I wanted to hear all about how scandalous it was for the next week. When my house was robbed, the police had heard all about it by the time I made it to the station to file the report. It was hard enough to, say, go on a date without the entire village gossip mill going on overload. I can’t imagine trying to actually do something clandestine.

Even as a volunteer in China, I’d often meet people and hear “Oh, I know you! I saw you once last October at the grocery store buying cold medicine! You were wearing a red sweater. I told all my friends about it!” Once, I left my sweater in a taxi, and the next day I got a mysterious phone call wondering where the taxi driver should drop it off.

Another complication is that volunteers generally have work to do, and people will notice if you are not, say, going to farmer’s groups meetings and are instead making lots of strange phone calls with mysterious strangers. Real spies have fake jobs that nobody expects to be done. Peace Corps volunteers will be very, very noticed by everyone in town if they are shirking their duties. No spy wants to spend all day teaching English grammar or supervising latrine installations.

Then there is security. After my house got broken into, my security was a 16 year old kid named Divawissa who would take a break from his job selling honey at the local market to watch my house when I taught classes in order to discourage the neighborhood punks from breaking in to try on my Chacos and wear down the battery on my shortwave. The kind of security someone with something to protect would need would be very conspicuous in a Peace Corps setting (and much less so in a diplomatic or business setting).

Finally, the places where volunteers go are generally not particularly interesting. My Cameroonian village thought I was a spy, and I always wondered what they thought I was reporting. Maimouna is mad that her husband gave a radio to his second wife? There was a minor scuffle at the market over the price of follare leaves? Bouba thought his dog had rabies? And my contacts were not politicians and the like, but rather school teachers, market ladies and street kids. The chances of having useful intelligence is slim.

In short, it’s not practical. Even if it were, Peace Corps does a very good job of fulfilling its soft diplomacy goals, and there is no benefit to endangering that (and all of Peace Corps would be over and all of it’s work tainted forever if a spy were caught) when there are plenty of perfectly good covers out there that aren’t going to have those problems.

This exactly syncs with every Peace Corps Volunteer I have ever known, and I have known many. Some people desperately need to believe the Peace Corps is a CIA cover, but I’ve never understood why that is.

At peace corps home site. 95 percent of who they recruit has 4 years of college or more. In mostly medical fields and mental fields. 4 percent is small engine repairs 1 percent agriculture with of course 10 years or more experience in those fields. Or if you have at least 5 years volunteer history they will accept you. The physical is full body,mental,dental. If 95 percent of who they accept has 4 years or more of college already it seems more like a recruitment for C.I.A. Than a training and volunteer system. They seem to be actually targeting people who are all ready educated and can do any thing else they wish. So lets look at things they send you to a country. I would assume you got to fill out a missions or progress report on your job. this information may provide you with what you need. But at some point I would tend to half to debate that some one is also analyzing what you need in supply’s and why. Key words Central Intelligence Agency. What is intelligence but collecting data and information from inside a second or third world country that doesn’t want C.I.A. there what better front than peace corps. Plus seems Like the agriculture and teaching recruitment on their home site isn’t in hi demand. For C.I.A. to use peace corps as a front doesn’t mean they half to put you in harms way. Just means they don’t half to tell you why your actually there.

Not sure what useful secret spy info. might be gleaned from somebody who is supervised by a local while building latrines in remote villages or spending their days teaching the alphabet to 1st graders. Also not sure what CIA agent would be willing to live in a shack full of bugs with no hot water and a local landlady who bosses you around for $250US a month.

[[Not sure what useful secret spy info. might be gleaned from somebody who is supervised by a local while building latrines in remote villages or spending their days teaching the alphabet to 1st graders. Also not sure what CIA agent would be willing to live in a shack full of bugs with no hot water and a local landlady who bosses you around for $250US a month.]]

Later: this is bizarre. I wrote the above note before I read further up in the thread at these examples from an earlier poster: [[No spy wants to spend all day teaching English grammar or supervising latrine installations.]]

Peace Corps volunteers do a million different things, however I did help build latrines and my husband worked in the elementary school. This other guy and I must have been in the same PCV/CIA class.

They don’t half to have a spy in the country. At some point if your in a United states organization. You got to do paper work to get stuff you need. They can put all reports world wide in a computer. enter key parameters and words to search for something. And actually some of these storys would actually be a dang good cover for a spy. I mean what better than having a neighbor kids telling you about a stranger in town. Or kids showing up all hrs of the night. usage of supplys,books,blankets,quantity of food, What the country your in needs you for can tell them something about the state of that country or its political stability. Even improving relations with the U.S.A. or deteriorating relations with U.S.A. Every one thinks wars or conflicts. Nothing when it comes to the united states is that simple

I came here to write what I apparently wrote two years ago, but hey, why not…

The reason why Peace Corps recruits educated people is, of course, that developing countries don’t really need a bunch of unskilled labor. Peace Corps volunteers are supposed to be filling critical skill gaps, and most Peace Corps volunteers do some form of training.

I’ve learned a lot more about overseas this and that since I last posted, and nope, still no reason to believe their are Peace Corps volunteers with another mission. Indeed, when I was a volunteer we were actively discouraged from hanging around embassy staff. They really take these things seriosuly, because volunteers really are out in very remote places with very little security other than what their community can provide-- and that is all built on trust.

Beyond that, the fact is that it is just plain a bad cover, for all the reasons mentioned above. Volunteers go to remote but stable communities, where there really just plain isn’t anything of interest going on. Then they go on to live very public lives in very public surroundings. The equivalent would be a Chinese spy going to be an elementry school teacher in a town of 700 in Nebraska. I guess they could do it, but why would you when you could do just about anything else?

Even if they did do it, who would take the job? A smart person who is willing to put up with tough circumstances can make lots of very good money doing a short tour in Afghanistan, where they can eat imported food and watch movies at night while they wait for the paid R and R and home visits they get every few weeks. What would you even have to pay someone to spend two years in a hut with a squat toilet, eating leaves and peanut butter and watching goats for entertainment? Who is going to take the job where you going to the next town over means a few hours in a minivan on a dirt road with 20 of your closest friends and a few goats. Being a peace Corps volunteer is uncomfortable every single day, and you get very little of the glitz and glamour that draws people to the expat life. You’d have to pay someone who wasn’t intrinsically motivated a small fortune to do that, and it simply wouldn’t be a good return for whatever village gossip you manage to get.

I didn’t think they were working for C.I.A. till I read there home page requirements!!

I got a first aid kit, water filter, motorcycle helmet, mosquito net, and a bucket. No paperwork needed. If I got sick, I could send for medicine, and now that I think back we could get our glasses replaced if they broke. Other than that we used our small living allowance (roughly equivalent to what a local in our position would make, thoguh of course it went farther with us as we didn’t have families to support.) I might have contact with the Peace Corps office once every few weeks, mostly to report when I planned to do weekend travel. We did not get work supplies from Peace Corps, those would be provided by our community, purchased by ourselves, or funded by outside grants.

The US doesn’t need someone to tell them that northern Cameroon is poor. They can just read the Economist like everybody else. There is already an enormously helpful and deeply entrenched intelligence community out there that can report on broad trends, it’s known as “the global media.” As for how many blankets are being used in Village X in September, I don’t think the capacity is there to process or use that kind of information. And even if there were, much better and more consistent information is collected by NGOs and the UN.

(and as for what Northern Cameroonians think of Americans- according to the village I lived in, we are all rich, we have lots of guns, and we have an enormous vampire problem.)

Is sorta twisted to justify the particular government its sits in private agenda’s. Sorta why communication and transportation is federally regulated in the united states. I mean think about it. out of like 195 or 196 country’s in the united nations. How many at most do you actually hear about.