Of all the MRM whines, the one about workplace accidents is probably my favorite.
Desperately work to ensure that women are excluded as much as possible from any and all dangerous professions like coal miner, combat soldier, and firefighter (because those are man’s work).
Complain that more men than women are killed doing these jobs, therefore men have it worse than women.
Misogyny profit!
Then you are living with massive blinders on.
Not could be,* is*
Except for all the evidence you ignore.
You are now sounding like a creationist shit saying ‘where is the evidence for evolution’. There is this thing called Google. Use it.
Sorry, but when there are 9,999 cases of group ‘A’ abusing group ‘B’ and you throw out one example of group ‘B’ abusing group ‘A’ and claim it makes things equal it is not I who am the hypocrite.
Is this like Denis Leary, circa 1980-something?
Wow…
More like 1966. He’d have been 8, which seems about right.
I really don’t think it was misogyny. I think he liked women. He wanted one. Badly. Deep down I think the thing he hated was himself. He saw all these other people having what he wanted so desperately, and it angered him. But having experienced this for his entire life, he knew deep down the the problem was with him. For whatever reason, he was measuring up to what women wanted. He knew he was awkward, slight. And he knew that all the effort he put into to projecting a “successful alpha male” persona was for naught. The BMW didn’t count. His clothes didn’t count. Girls didn’t give a shit about his $300 sunglasses. He crafted himself to be what he perceived as a James Bond-type alpha male. He had the accouterments. But something still wasn’t working. I think deep down he knew that if all the window dressing wasn’t working, the problem was with him. He hated being the weird guy, even if he couldn’t figure out why he was. Finally, he saw that there was nothing else he could do to perfect his person enough where anyone would care. He saw a future for himself that was not likely to change. He would always be girlfriendless, the other guys would always have the hot blond chicks, even though they didn’t have BMWs and $300 sunglasses. His huge ego couldn’t be supported by his slight frame and “offness”. Ultimately, he could no longer buy his own narrative that he was the ultimate alpha male. There was NOTHING to support that except window dressing. Given his spoiledness and immaturity he concluded that if he couldn’t have those hot blonds at the sorority, no one would have them. He, was, by golly, going to demonstrate to the world that he was not the mousey little ineffective being. He got to that point only after realizing deep down, that was precisely what he was. I think a large contributing factor to this whole thing is being raised in Hollywood. It created unrealistic expectations. He saw how it was for many guys, why not him? His father was a semi-famous guy, he had a BMW, he dressed the part. But no one was buying it. In the end, not even him. He was weak, odd, insignificant. He realized that and just couldn’t deal with it.
So, no, I think he loved women. He craved and fantasized about their affection. He took pride in being a gentleman, the “ultimate gentleman”. He held women on a pedestal even if, possibly, as another accoutrement he could wear on his arm. But he hated not having it. And he couldn’t deal with a future where that’s the way things were going to be. Because of him, himself: the awkward, slight, spoiled kid with a puffed up image of himself. In the end, even he couldn’t believe the lie he had crafted about himself.
nice tautology, but here’s the facts:
The majority of workplace injuries are sustained by men. Greatly out of proportion to their percentage of the overall population are Hispanic males. These are the lowest-paid, easily-replaceable jobs, where, to make it worse, employers don’t fulfill their legal requirement to provide training in a language they clearly understand. The electricians who climb 360 feet up to repair high-voltage wind turbines have more dangerous jobs, but their skills and training command higher wages, so they are in less danger than tree-trimmers and grain silo shovelers.
Workplace violence is workplace injury, and in this category, women do outnumber men. The greatest contributing factor in this are those stupid scratch-off, big gulp, etc. posters that conceal what’s going on inside convenience stores.
The group who have it worse are on the lowest economic step, regardless of sex.
See, there is the disconnect. He liked women in the same way he liked something you own. Women were something to have, something to fuck, something to put on or off like his $300 sunglasses. He certainly had a lot of self loathing but the root of it is that he just didn’t think of women as people but things to possess.
I don’t think any of these things necessarily mean he’s not a misogynist. If he thought women owed him sex, then that’s a misogynistic belief. If he thought women deserve to be punished for not giving him affection/sex, then that’s a misogynistic belief.
I think you may be right that he had a lot of self-hatred, but I don’t think that necessarily conflicts with the possibility that he was also at least partly motivated by misogyny.
I think that’s a very good point. But I don’t think it is evidence that he hated women. He might have not respected them, or appreciated them, but that doesn’t equate to hating them.
Anyway, who knows? Just thought I’d share my take. Actually the more that I don’t understand this guy the better I like it.
It’s hard to know what goes on in the mind of a deranged person. I tend to disagree with this version because I don’t think people who have this kind of crazy grandiosity really recognize their own deficiencies. They really think they’re awesome and it’s everybody else’s fault. But even if your analysis of the guy is right, that’s still misogyny: he didn’t believe women were as human as he was. He thought they were objects who had to do what he wanted. He said he was a nice guy who wore the right clothes and owned the right things, and that meant they owed him. When they didn’t pay up, he reacted violently to punish them. So you can’t tell me that a guy who announces very loudly that he’s going to murder women because women have rejecting him doesn’t really hate women. You can want something and hate it at the same time. You can even like an individual while hating a group that includes that individual. I don’t think you can say he loved women while rejecting their ability to make their own decisions. That stretches the word beyond the breaking point; at best it’d mean he loved the idea of having a woman, but again, that makes a woman into an object. So reframing this as a tale of someone who was disappointed in himself doesn’t really take away the misogyny issue.
Except that’s not what the “men’s rights movement” is talking about.
Here, for instance, is A Voice for Men co-founder and managing editor Dean Esmay complaining about how the fact that so many men have died specifically in the coal mining industry (and other hazardous jobs) means that men are considered disposable and therefore are really the ones that are disadvantaged by society instead of women.
I think declaring that he wants to punish women for not being attracted/affectionate with him, then shooting women, is pretty solid evidence that he hated women. And based on his manifesto, he also seemed to hate black people (whom he called ‘ugly, inferior’) and asian people (whom he called ‘asian piece of shit’).
He also said this: “I will attack the very girls who represent everything I hate in the female gender”
All in all, I think that’s pretty solid evidence for misogyny.
Please show pictures of MRAs campaigning to stop women doing anything, let alone work in dangerous professions.
Eliot Rodger also wrote the following within his ‘manifesto’:
“Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.”
I think that’s kind of a misogynistic thing to write.
Yeah. The original post was about “long-term relationships” not sex. I don’t think men tend to be judged that harshly for a lack of long-term relationships, generally. But as individuals, of course, if a man who has never been in one exhibits really terrible behavior toward women, people will tend to assume one follows the other (but won’t necessarily get the causation right).
For sex, I agree that there’s more pressure on men to have it. That has always struck me as an attempt, and yeah, usually by men themselves, to point out their virility and masculinity. When we have rigid gender ideals, the farther you are from the center, the better.
Kind of? One can only imagine what conservatives would say had Rodger been a woman writing that kind of shit about men . . .
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Obviously that is a massively misogynistic thing to write.
Except I didn’t post to defend some significant nobody named Dean Esmay: I came to refute your post that misogyny is the root cause of workplace injuries. It’s neither misogyny nor misandry: it’s greed.
I didn’t think he was saying it was the cause of workplace injuries. I thought he was saying it’s why men are more likely to be in dangerous jobs.
Show me feminists doing the same thing. Seriously - show me a picture of one feminist campaigning *against *women working as coal miners.