Shoot. I let her take me off-topic there.
You’re right lezlers, it’s about coldfire closing that thread, that’s my beef.
It was wrong, and I’m voicing my opinion accordingly.
I now pass the floor to you, as you seem to be far ahead, and better, at expaining things at this point than I am.
CnoteChris, are you this big of a spaz in real life? Or do you just save it all for us Dopers?
Okay, now you’re really making me blush.
dantheman, I’m not saying fascinating discussions should be started here, but sometimes rants end up being just that. Does that mean the thread should be automatically closed?
I don’t think that threads should automatically be closed, without question, upon the request of the OP. Sometimes threads veer off course. It happens. Sometimes they end up as trainwrecks, sometimes they end up as civil, rational discussions. Why is that a bad thing?
I prefer posting in the Pit because I don’t feel as if I have to censor myself. That’s not the case in IMHO or CS (which is reserved for entertainment discussion) or GD. You can be more colorful here. Sometimes people take it too far, other times people keep it civil.
You have to give people some credit. Just because the OP feels as if the thread has veered too far off course, doesn’t mean it should be automatically closed because they’re the ones that started it. Many times in longer threads I don’t even remember who the OP was. So why do they get ultimate authority on whether the thread lives or dies? Especially if 3 pages into it, it’s turned into a different thread than it started as? And in the case of the thread in question here, why should the OP’s opinion matter when they haven’t even participated in the last 2 pages?Why should we have to start another thread if it hasn’t turned ugly?
No, not automatically, not solely because it’s turned into a fascinating discussion. But that’s not why this one was closed. This one was closed because the OP asked that it be closed. That request was honored, as they sometimes are.
Hm. Well, maybe we just plain disagree on this, but “trainwrecks” are not good things, by their very nature. If a thread has gotten so bad that it’s being called a trainwreck, it probably needs to be shut down.
As for threads of the nontrainwreck variety, there’s no steadfast reason they should be closed, but if the OP would rather it be closed, I see no reason why this request can’t be honored. If the participants in the thread wish to continue the discussion, there’s nothing stopping them from beginning a new thread - provided the reason for the closure was just that the OP requested it.
You can be colorful in almost any of the forums. You can’t go nuts and start cussing people out, but you can stay stuff like “Buffy was f***ing great!” in CS. At least I think you can. Anyway, they’ve never come down on people for the occasional bit of profanity, especially if it’s in jest.
Well, first of all, if the thread has veered away from the OP, then why not close it and begin a new thread about that topic? If the thread title is no longer applicable, then a new thread is needed.
Second, the OP does not have completely authority - the administration does. If they agree with the OP that the thread should be closed but do not say that the content was inappropriate, then there’s nothing wrong with beginning a new thread.
In essence, lezlers, I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying that in this instance, the desire of the OP was respected regarding thread closure, but the content was not forbidden. Therefore, a reasonable discussion of bigotry could surely be reopened elsewhere in the forums.
My meltdown senses are tingling.
Wait, that’s just my chlamydia flaring up. But, we may still see a meltdown.
Yeah, that’s it. That has to be it.
Asshole.
You misunderstood my trainwreck comment. I agree that trainwrecks are bad and should be shut down. I was asking why a thread that has veered off course but in a civil manner is automatically considered a bad thing and cause for the thread to be closed.
I don’t see why a new thread has to be started. Many times the discussion will veer off course but still be linked to the general topic, thus rendering the title still appropriate. Why go to the trouble starting new threads, linking waiting for the old participants to find there way over, when it’s not necesary to do so?
I may be wrong about this, but it appears that any request from an OP to close a thread is granted. Mod’s please correct me if I’m wrong on this, because I don’t see the emails so I don’t know. This is what I take issue with, in certain situations. If the OP hasn’t even participated in the thread for a significant amount of time, but it’s still going, albeit off the orginal topic, I don’t think they should be able to have it closed without damn good reason.
The discussion taking place was still connected to the thread topic, everyone was behaving themselves for the most part. I don’t see why the OP’s opinion mattered at that point, since she had already gone off and started a different thread and didn’t appear to be coming back to the original any time soon.
See? We’re having a reasonable discussion. In the Pit! :o
I know I know, the Pit is the correct forum for complaints about administration of the SDMB, I just thought I’d point out that it IS possible to have reasonable, civilized discussions here.
Oh, I don’t know, I guess I do… whenever I run into screaming hypocracy as I did in the orignal OP (In the other thread). I guess then I comment.
I don’t know, but you got a problem with that? I mean, I know you’d like this place to be your own personal bitch lounge, where everything that is important to you is important to everyone else, but I look at it as a message board, where diverging and different ideas are encouraged, not pushed out the door.
While you’re here though, mind if I ask you a question?
Good.
When you’re at a party, you know, with multiple couples, do you find it necessary, nay important, to go around to the individual groups and interject your anger? You know, comments like, 'Hey, Bob, you’re a fucking idiot :: Frown Frown Frown :: ".
I have a feeling you do, which explains why you’re here all the time… you have no friends. Any friends you ever had, you insulted and scared away with your completely, unending, negative attitude.
It’s actually pretty pathetic, when you really think about it.
(And sure, I’ll have the group that wants to harp on me at all costs, for things I’ve said to them in the past, and tell me I’m an unredeemable asshole. That’s to be expected).
But the difference between you and me, and I guess the others avoiding the issue at hand, is that my comments are directed towards specific events, and specific actions, that I find troubling.
The idea the discourse needs to be squelched, for whatever reason, strikes me as wrong. It’s what I’ve argued here for in the past, and the reason I’m arguing, or complaining, now.
You tell me why your opinion holds more than anyone elses, and things that you disagree with deserve a drive-by, ‘Well look-ee here, ain’t we got a new asshole in town’ type post, that you do to the point of ad-nauseum, in each and every fucking forum, and tell me why my complaint here is… ummm… ridiculous.
You can’t. You’re too busy trying to find my spelling mistakes and grammatical errors than you are with actually taking on an issue. It’s foreign and completely alein to you.
My stance isn’t, and never has been-- My idea is, and my stance has always remained, that stifling of ideas, no matter how diverging they may be, is not grounds enough to dismiss the conversation out-right. Especially when said conversation is made reasonably, and with thought behind it.
You may think those that diverge from your preconcieved, pigeon-holed idealogue, aren’t worthy of comment, and deserve numerous, repeated, non-fucking-stop ‘you’re and idiot’ comments, but others would actually like to discuss the issue at hand, if you don’t mind.
And that, in the coolest way possible, brings me back to square one… the thread shouldn’t have been closed. It was wrong, and I feel a comment on it was necessary.
Carry on.
Well, not every request is granted. In that thread, the request was denied initially, although it was granted later. Additionally, there are always plenty of threads that continue even if the OP asks them to be closed - I had one a few days ago myself.
If there is sufficient interest to be upset that a thread is closed, then there’s enough interest to create a new thread on the topic; I don’t think anyone who was interested in the first thread would not want to track down the second thread.
Perhaps it’s six of one, half-dozen of the other. If a thread is closed at the OP’s request but people still wish to continue the discussion, there’s nothing preventing them from doing so. I guess I don’t see it as a big deal.
It’s a very stupid, outdated rule, IMO. Although reasonable discussions do occur here with a little regularity, people are more inclined to scream nonsense than not. Allowing discussions about the administration to appear only in this forum simply invites trouble.
Come on dan, seriously. Are you saying the comments unclebeer made were irrelevant?
Sure threads are closed when OP’ers ask, but unclebeer expained, pretty reasonably if you ask me, why this one, or I should say that one, should stay open… and coldfire completely ignored it and halted what could have been, and should have been, an enlightening discussion.
I was ready to be proven wrong on everything I said, called an asshole and taken for task for saying, ‘You know, you’re a hypocrite and an idiot if you don’t understand what you just wrote. Calling those that came after your idiodic comment ‘stupid’ for not reading correctly is without merit’. And while we’re talking about merit, let’s talk about the reasonablness of the OP.
Come on, explain to me why that is fucked up too, and is an opinion that needs to be squelched as well.
It was just getting going, and was cut short.
Too bad, in my humble opinion.
Wow. Whatever doubt I had about CNote being a fuckwad have been dispelled. Thanks Chris for giving me one less poster to pay any attention to.
And here’s a novel concept:
QUIT BITCHIN’ AND START ANOTHER THREAD. ASSHOLE!!!
So reopen it. What exactly is preventing this? You’ve poured more energy into complaining about how a thread was closed than in continuing the discussion that you found so interesting. If it was that interesting, continue it.
What UB said was not irrelevant, but it was not the only factor in the decision. He had some good reasons, but that doesn’t mean that his word must be obeyed over everything else. He chose to defer to the moderators of the forum, as is the protocol. (If he felt very strongly about it, perhaps he would have contacted a Pit mod and explained his reasons; instead, he really left it open to the moderator to decide.)
It’s important to remember that this thread was not closed because of content, and therefore the topic of the thread can be continued elsewhere, AFIACT.
Um, isn’t this his other thread?
Also, isn’t this the place for questions regarding the administration?
CNote, when are you going to learn, don’t you dare ever question Diane, or anyone else that may have an opinion like hers. Christ, she’s better than anyone else, thus she can laugh at who ever she likes. You’ve been here long enough, you’d think you have figured this out by now. So go run along, so the beautiful people can talk about important things.
You’re right brad, but they’ll never see it… they’re pissed!!
And pissed at me, and not necessarily what I’m commenting about. It’s to be expected, no problem.
It’s why I choose to look at lezlers comments and wish they were mine, because they’re far more concise and reasonable than mine were (I feel bad lezlers, I kinda dragged you into this. You should bail now, before you come associated with my bad, evil, ideas. It’s not gonna stop anytime soon.
And, once again, these things seem to wrap themselves back into each other… brad, as obvious as your comment is, nobody’s listening.
The problem is, when Hamlet mentioned opening a new thread, he was (I’m sure) referring not to opening a new thread complaining of the closing but rather one that continued the discussion on bigotry.
Forgive me if I’m misinterpreting you, Hamlet.
That being the case, no - this is not that other thread.
I have the same problem with lezlers. I ended up in a couple of threads with her, and she almost always says what I wish I could. I think I’ll just start quoting her, and my only comments will be “what she said”.
Finally, someone who understands me.
Look, genius, it’s not your ideas that I have a problem with, it’s your self-righteous, whiny attitude and the fact you’d rather bitch, moan, and hop on your cross and play martyr rather than start another thread to continue the discussion.
And brad, this isn’t a thread continuing the discussion that CNote is upset that was closed, it’s one that he created so he could whine like a upset toddler. He’d rather cry than solve the problem, but that’s his choice.
And quit dripping sarcasm on this post, Diane.