And you think Trump is better!?
We’re all very sad for you. Maybe now you’ll need to get an education and work hard to get ahead, instead of having everything handed to you. I realize it must really piss you off that you’re no longer on the top of the heap by virtue of your “birthright”.
So very sad.
This is what gets me from Trump supporters. Clinton, with all her faults, and they are legion, is still clearly and objectively a better leader, less corrupt, smarter, and far more capable in every aspect of her person. Trump brings absolutely NOTHING to the table as president. Not a single og damned mother fucking thing.
Come on now. Trump does a MUCH better job of mocking disabled people. And has Hillary Clinton ever bragged about grabbing pussy? I think not.
No “longer”? Shit, I never was! 
The belief that the “American Dream” is a thing for a solid majority of the lower classes nowadays is a nice touch, though. File that one right next to the folders on the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, Santa Claus, and decent Ford vehicles.
Hell no! Both of 'em are shitty people.
I’m all about Jill Stein this go-around. She won’t win, unfortunately, but at least on the 9th I can say I was all about the greater good, rather than a “lesser evil”. (Soltysik/Walker are another example of a decent ticket in this election, and there’s a couple others).
Light sabers too, if that picture is to be believed.
:dubious: What exactly makes Jill Stein in any realistic sense a “greater good”?
Sure, when it comes to abstract principles and vague mission statements, I like the Greens over the Democrats too.
But when it comes to actually knowing how to accomplish anything or being able to make it happen, the Greens are basically useless. (Not at every level, mind you: I’ve worked on a Green mayoral campaign and helped vote Greens into city council offices. But at state and national levels, the Greens in the US are basically a vanity brand, not a functioning political party.) And Stein herself, when it comes to an articulate policy vision or executive preparedness or genuine political experience, has pretty much nothing to offer.
Seriously, even if we were to cancel the election and just hand it to Stein, and boot out the Obamas right away so Stein could get to governing two months early, we’d almost certainly end up four years down the road with progressive causes and the condition of average Americans worse than they would be under four years of Clinton. And here are some reasons why:
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She thinks we can realistically get to 100% renewable energy, while eliminating nuclear power entirely, by 2030. Now, I don’t believe all the squawks from anti-regulation Chicken Littles about how being environmentally responsible will DESTROY THE ECONOMY, but shit, there’s such a thing as too much too fast. Do you expect to see all fossil-fuel vehicles off the roads in thirteen years? Do you have any idea how much that one single aspect of this plank would require in terms of resources? Do you see a way to even begin implementing it without launching massive Congressional gridlock?
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She thinks we should “put a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe”. Again, while I’m all about organic agriculture and I support individual producers’ and consumers’ right to avoid GMOs if they prefer, I’m appalled at the sheer chuckleheadedness of this draconian approach. You can’t definitively “prove” that a substance is completely “safe”, and it’s insane to declare that hundreds of substances we currently have no reason to consider unsafe should just be shelved indefinitely till we figure out what we mean by “proven safe”.
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She says the employed should “have an enforceable right to make government provide work”. How the hell would that even operate? Again, as a longstanding progressive I want to admire Stein’s ideals, but it’s overwhelmed by horror at the Herculean prospect of trying to interpret these grandiose pronouncements in any kind of potentially effective way.
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“Tuition-free, world-class public education from pre-school through university”. Paid for with what? Buttons? As an educator it sounds great for my career, but as a taxpayer I just shake my head. And dammit, as a progressive taxpayer I want more tax money to go to affordable education and lowering student debt. But don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s magical unicorn nectar. A huge and completely unfeasible project doesn’t give me confidence in your competence, even if it suggests that your heart’s in the right place.
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“Improve economic and social conditions abroad to reduce the flow of immigrant refugees”: Oh finally, an easy one. :rolleyes:
“Develop Marshall Plan-style aid programs for Mexico, Central America & Haiti”: With what? Honestly, I hate how talking about Stein makes me sound like a conservative, but damn, she seriously is the caricature of pie-in-the-sky liberal “magical thinking” that conservatives like to attribute to liberals in general (in most cases with far less justification). -
“Cut military spending by at least 50% and close the 700+ foreign military bases. […] Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.” Oh suuuuuure.
In short, Stein’s policies mostly boil down to progressive equivalents of Trumpian fantasies like “bring back manufacturing jobs by raising foreign tariffs”. This is a classic example of making the best the enemy of the good: Take an idea that has a core of fundamental good sense and ethical principle in it, and pump it up so drastically and radically that it becomes ridiculously unworkable. You end up with something that in practical terms is far worse than a moderately bad idea.
If Stein were put in the Oval Office right now with carte blanche to do whatever she wanted, she’d end up discrediting progressive ideas and science-based environmental policy for a generation. That does not qualify in any way as “the greater good”.
So the greater good is voting for a candidate who panders to those who think vaccinations cause autism? You’re kind of a fucking moron, aren’t you?
I really don’t see it with Clinton. AFAICT she’s been an earnest servant of the people her whole working life. If you look at her administrative and legislative background as set out in this thread above, her work has always been in the direction of trying to improve the lot of the working class.
Now you may say “but she’s in bed with Wall Street” and you may accuse her of being insufficiently idealistic, unlike Jill Stein. But politics is the art of the possible. You cannot make it to POTUS these days without a lot of backing from the people with the money. You just can’t. You’ll get steamrolled by the big expensive political machines of other candidates, regardless of how worthy you may be. And, you cannot be overly idealistic because there is no single ideology that is agreed upon by sufficient of the population to get you the majority you need.
Now you can say “I don’t care, I still prefer someone idealistic, even if that means they are never going to win”. But I don’t think that you can in all fairness describe someone who does the best they can in an imperfect world “shitty”. They may be less than ideal but they aren’t “shitty”.
Benghazi was a terrorist attack that turned into a partisan witch hunt. Obamacare has been at least mildly successful and has led to countless people being able to get health insurance for the first time. Attempts to fix its problems have been stymied by… Um… Which side of the aisle again? Either way, neither of these even remotely rises to the level of a “disaster”.
Friendly reminder: one side came to the table willing to negotiate the debt with spending cuts and revenue increases - yours did not.
Friendly reminder: most of the debt came from policies implemented by the last guy - the two wars he started and the tax cuts he implemented.
Friendly reminder: the Debt:GDP ratio is still entirely sustainable.
Not so friendly reminder: people this willfully ignorant deserve a cactus shoved firmly up their rectums.
Oh this I’d love to see.
Bottom line, if Obama literally turned water into wine the first thing Clothahump would do is complain about the vintage. There’s just no pleasing some people, that’s all there is to it.
I am not authorized to speak for Mr. Hump, but the calamities of this Negroid Presidency are in full view. Even ignoring the Death Camps, and the millions of Americans who have been forced at gunpoint to improve their healthcare, we have totally misguided priorities. As the clearest example: The Kenyan Jihadist spent millions fighting Ebola in Africa while there is a raging epidemic much closer to home, right here in red-neck Jesus-loving America: Gross Stupidity and Ignorance.
Here’s tricky Mr. Ekers about to point out that debt doubled under GWB and almost tripled under Ronald Reagan. But what he overlooks is that these were white-skinned American Presidents whose debt served noble purposes: Starving the Beast and helping Americans learn to hate their government. Comparing their debt to the black-skinned debt is like comparing unicorn farts to the stinking turds of a Kenyan Godzilla.
Speaking of stinking turds, the hypocrisies of the Teleprompter self-appointed “Emperor Jesus” just reek. He pretends to be half-white. Like an uppity bitch, he takes out Osama bin Laden, not having the grace and humility to save that chore for an American President. His daughters dress like sluts. His wife looks like an ape and plagiarizes Melania Trump’s speech. The list goes on and on.
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And even worse than the Death Camps is the politically correct change in verb inflections. What happened to GWB’s noble program “No Child Left as Dumb as I”?
You missed the worst part: his moll puts on this whole “grace, kindness and wisdom” act that wilfully, deliberately and with malice aforethought deprives us of our righteous entitlement to mock, despise and look down on the bitch. Her cruelty to us knows no bounds.
You could not find “reality” with a flashlight and a magnifying glass at high noon. You have no connection to “reality,” getting all your information from Faux News and the Hannity/Coulter/Limbaugh/Beck consortium of liars and frauds.
Anyone who puts forth “Benghazi” as a disaster attributed to Clinton or Obama after eight separate Republican investigations could not invent a way to blame them, (while ignoring the fact that the Republican led Congress denied multiple requests for better financing for embassy and consulate security), is so far removed from “reality” as to make any statement they issue worthy of dismissal by any three-year-old.
Jill Stein’s not the greater good. As long as you’re in some sort of fuckin fantasy land, why not vote for Baldur, the Gentle God murdered by Loki? Now THERE’S some greater fuckin good for you!
He won’t win–he doesn’t exist–but that’s clearly irrelevant to you, in your idea of “vote for who makes me feel good” approach to politics. The greater good we’re talking about here is the “it makes me feel greater than voting for someone else would.”
So here’s an idea: go get laid. That’s gonna make you feel even better than a vote for Jill Stein would. Then go vote for Clinton, because as bad as she is from a progressive standpoint, her presidency will enact greater goods on the rest of the world than Trump’s would.
…is that real?
“What’s with the guy in the karate suit?”
“Taekwondo, I think. That’s just old man Clothahump.”
“Why is he all red in the face?”
“He’s always like that. Just sits there for hours listening to the radio, grinding his teeth and muttering to himself.”
“Sir, are you okay? Do you need help with anything?”
“BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!”
“Jesus Christ. He’s going to give himself a stroke.”
“Yeah, that’s pretty much all he says. That and ‘Hillary’.”
“SIR, CAN WE DO SOMETHING TO HELP YOU?”
“BENGHAZI!!!”
“Yes, that happens sometimes. Have you tried peppermint tea?”
He actually is a taekwondo instructor. The woman is his wife, She Who Must Be Obeyed. (SWMBO)
And let’s not forget that Reagan basically TRIPLED the national debt - from $1 trillion to $2.9 trillion.
But I’m sure Clothy can find a way to blame Obama for that. I’ll give him a minute to think about it. Oh, since it involves thinking, I’ll check back in a few days. Kiiii-ya!
You’re thinking about it wrong.
The Republicans have a natural tendency towards small government (just ask them) so the fact they consistently increase the national debt isn’t a significant concern. They may have massively increased the national debt on a consistent basis in recent decades but you know they don’t want to. So they are OK.
The Democrats are in favour of big government and so you can’t take your eyes off them for a moment or they will have sold your grandchildren into debtors prison. You have to come down on them hard the moment they show the slightest signs of spending so much as a nickel. They may have significantly decreased the national debt on a consistent basis in recent decades but you know they don’t want to. So they are not OK.
It all makes perfect sense so long as you look it the right way. It’s the same in Australia.