I feel like I may have wasted my time, but I have a review of Red’s posts in the spoiler box (just to keep the length of this post down). If Red gets lynched and turns up scum, I would not be all that surprised. If I had to bet on who was scum between him and Meeko, though, I would be betting on Meeko. (I realize they could both be scum.) While Red has done some things that I think could be scum motivated, almost all covered by Alka in post 1282 (I considered dropping my post-by-post after that, but since I was about half way through, I decided to finish it), the primary reason for suspicion of Red is last Night’s actions. I do realize, though, that there could be other reasons that peeker was able to kill last Night, including the possibility that scum did it just to make someone appear suspicious. I have found Red’s willingness to start voting someone based on a single post a bit on the scummy side (I did that with Diggit, but I thought his one post seemed to have a strong scum motivation). Red voted MHaye for his number analysis post, and voted Drain for her post in which she describes how scary a player story is.
That said, though, Meeko has been making votes ever since he came into the game and either not giving a reason for them or a really poor one. I think the only reason he hasn’t been lynched already is that he is Meeko and players are afraid they just don’t understand him. Or they might feel sorry for the way he was treated in the Weird Wild West game (some players asked that he be replaced, and at least one asked to be subbed out because he was in it) and are giving him the benefit of the doubt. Tom Scud has already made the case against him, so I won’t give all the details here.
[Spoiler] D1.124 Surprised players are not told when they are blocked.
D1.134 Part of argument with peeker which I think was mainly a matter of difference in perspective. peeker was arguing scum will know more than Town, Red and pede were arguing Town would know less than they would if they were told about role-blocks. Also disagrees with peekers policy of counterclaiming and corrects Freudian about millers.
D1.142 Continues argument with peeker.
D1.148 Continues argument with peeker, agrees with Freudians sentiment about peeker, but says her pointing it out is equally scummy.
D1.169 Wonders if Cookies vote on pede is an ironic joke. Wonders about the peeker-Freudian miller exchange. Says exchange sends up alarms for him.
D1.191 Disagrees with amrussell. says godfather prevents building of masonry. doesn’t like amrussell laying out policy for roles that may not be his. Says cop and doc are only about 1/8 of town, don’t plan a whole strategy around them.
D1.276 Gives suspicions on freudian for overly defensive stance, amrussell for what seems like willful obfuscation, and guiri for “helpful townie” type play. Also, Rin twisted (now Meeko) for shutting down role-blocking discussion.
D1.280 Accepts correction from amrussell, admits he missed quote.
D1.292 Responding to Tom Scud, says doc would not protect a claimed vig in the longer term.
D1.296 Responds to Guiri explaining why scum would not immediately kill a claimed vig.
D1.300 Clarifies for Freudian that Ed has changed the countdown requirement to half + 2.
*I mentioned that Tom seemed to be trying to get Freudian back on track on Day 1, but I think Red seems to be doing the same thing at least as much.
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D1.302 quotes part of rules dealing with countdown.
D1.315 Votes Cookies for her early vote with little justification and not doing much since.
D1.328 Defends vote to Cookies, saying her Day 1 play is perfect scum ploy.
D1.341 Attacks pede for pede’s accusation of Guiri voting without reason when Guiri gave a reason. Still thinks Cookies is scummy.
D1.343 Clarifies pronoun use in previous post.
D1.353 Asks Tom why he voted Mahaloth over Rin Twisted when they had similar behavior.
D1.378 Votes Freudian for keeping vote on pede even though he has declared vig (says real vig will be able to handle it if he is lying.)
D1.381 Disagrees with Freudians statement that most “about to be lynched” claims are lying. Explains why claimed vig is not Town’s problem until later.
D1.383 Clarifies previous post.
D1.409 Responds to peeker. Accuses peeker of smudging him. Says he gave reason for Cookies vote and pointed out inconsistencies in pede’s post. Says peeker’s counter-claim reeks.
D1.419 Explains term “bussing” to Freudian.
D1.429 Says Pede’s SK claim negates his argument against Freudian.
Like Alka, I don’t see why Freudian happening to be right means his argument was bad.
D1.436 responds to peeker saying he has answered his accusations.
D1.446 responds to peeker’s request for advice. Says he should just go with his suspicions.
*I don’t see a whole lot suspicious about posts Day 1. His vote for Freudian could be a bussing since she was the most likely bandwagon once pede claimed vig. He would not have wanted to go out on a limb at that point if he was scum. Of course, the reason for that is that it would also be the correct town play, so I think this is a null tell overall.
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D2.530 Disagrees with peeker’s choice to counter-claim, says peekers case against pede was weak, and timing seemed to protect Freudian. Responds to Cookies case against him. Agrees with Drain Bead that we should not vote for vig’s NKs.
D2.536 Continues to interact with Cookies. Says comment was not meta. clarifies false dichotomey remark, and admits he made a mistake on one comment. Wonders why Cookies is not voting him. Says Cookies is less suspicious toDay. Votes Freudian after her questioning of him. Says her confidence he is telling the truth is what he finds suspicious.
D2.538 Responds to Cookies. Understands false dichotomy statement about pede by Cookies and understands where she is coming from.
D2.550 Responds to Alka probe about my possible slip that I thought pede was SK. Said no opinion either way.
D2.591 Defends himself against Alka’s case. Says it only looks like backpedaling if you are not paying attention. Also says he did not repeat Alka’s did not state opinion before he posted.
D2.592 Reviews Diggit’s post’s finding several things scummy, votes Diggit for suggestion we stop analyzing strategy.
*Since I did the same thing, I can hardly blame him here, but I can’t ignore that he did move from Freudian to a town player (I know that may look hypocritical, but again I there is nothing I can do about my vote record at this point).
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D2.596 Responds to Diggit’s defense post outlining why he believes he is wrong.
D2.597 Makes correction to his math argument in 596.
D2.622 Wonders where story is.
D2.636 Disagree’s with Meeko argument against him (which is basically since Skeezix disagreed with peeker’s choice to counterclaim, he must be scum).
D2.639 Asks Meeko why he is inconsistent in criticizing MHaye for voting without asking for an explanation, but votes Skeezix in the same manner.
D2.644 Says Meeko has not explained how his opinion of peeker’s counterclaim is anti-town and says Meeko is being hypocritical.
This could look like trying to wind Meeko up, but, you know, I think if I had been the one having to deal with Meeko’s vote here, I would probably have behaved in the same manner.
D2.662 Says he would feel better about his Diggit vote if Diggit fought it. Gives notes in case he is killed. Finds Freudian scummy. Suspects Meeko for refusal to discuss his vote on Red(among other things). Says Alka seems to be following peeker. Suspects MHaye, Zeriel, Story, and Mahaloth for being quiet. Not as sure about Cookies. Agrees peeker is most likely Town.
He throws around a lot of suspicion here. I am not sure what to make of this.
D2.670 Agrees with peekers post asking supposition or knowledge when Diggit says doc should be protecting himself.
D3.706 Votes for Option 2
D3.708 Votes for Meeko for his refusal to respond to questioning.
D3.709 Clarifies that he doesn’t care that Meeko voted for him, but his refusal to explain.
D3.714 responds to Meeko, telling him what he expects to see from him in way of explanation.
D3.732 Comments on Mahaloth’s response to Tom and casts suspicion on Mahaloth for several reasons. Says exchange between Tom and Mahaloth smells fishy.
D3.738 Responds to Meeko saying he does generally have a shoot from the hip approach. Explains fishy comment from earlier.
D3.742 Responds to ToeJam about why he switched votes Day 2.
D3.762 Says he is suspicious of both Meeko and Tom Scud but only has 1 vote and is more suspicious of Meeko.
D3.769 informs he will have limited internet access
D3.830 hes back
D3.849 Votes for MHaye for MHaye strategy post dealing with numbers. Says it ignores talking strategies, etc. and has incorrect numbers.
I didn’t like this vote. One post analyzing numbers does not really make me think scum. If the player was doing this repeatedly, especially to the exclusion of other types of post, then I would see more of a case.
D3.871 Responds to Alka’s question saying his vote was for making a strictly numerical argument against player motivation.
D3.911 Switches vote to Mahaloth for placing a lurk vote and “flying low” and trusts MHaye more since he didn’t make a self-preservation vote.
D3.913 Responds to peeker implying he will flip town if vigged.
D3.917 Responds to Mahaloth about why he is comfortable killing a vanilla town.
D3.984 Votes Freudian in response to USC’s counterclaim.
At this point, scum didn’t have much choice but the bus, so this is again a null tell.
D4.1036 Votes Meeko for his voting record, undermotivated votes, discouraging free exchange of opinion, insufficient reasoning for his votes, and Rin Twisted’s play.
D4.1063 Says cop should lead mass claim if they have usable resuts. Would be for lynching Nanook if cop is not counterclaimed and had only town/dead results.
D4.1076 clarifies rule for peeker (regarding how scum communicate kill) but not sure what implications are.
D4.1083 Votes Drain Bead for statement about story. Says it is huge smudge, along with lack of scum hunting or directed suspicion.
This caught my eye because I had made a similar comment about story. He has explained somewhat why he found Drain’s so much more scummy than mine. I can’t really see a scum motivation here, though, since he could have gone after my post just as easily.
D4.1090 Apologizes for saying Drain did not vote Day before. Keeps vote because he doesn’t like her smudgy post.
D4.1091 clarifies to peeker that cop will not get role, only alignment. Agrees that godfather will claim vanilla town.
D4.1115 Explains why he sees my comment about Story as different than Drain’s (concerning how story is suspicious simply because he is still alive).
D4.1147 Explains to story why he thinks it is a good strategy to lynch Nanook in light of Guiri’s claim.
D4.1148 Comment about not being able to count.
D5.1164 Analyzes game state and vote Drain Bead for same suspicions from Day before.
D5.1166 Gives dubious smiley in response to Cookies suggestion we go for Meeko first.
D5.1171 Explains his suspicion of Drain and Meeko. Thinks his opinion of Meeko might be colored because Meeko has voted for him and accused him of baiting.
D5.1180 Claims vanilla town. Thinks scum targeted peeker Night 3. Assumes scum roleblocker shot into crowd on Night 5.
D5.1181 Hopes players are considering other cases, since his track record has been so far off.
D5.1191 Tells Ed his vote count is wrong.
D5.1200 Gives possible scenarios for previous Nights actions. Thinks overkill scenario (block and kill Guiri is most likely).
D5.1242 Says he can’t argue with Alka’s analysis, but that Alka’s case depends too much on what scum would or wouldn’t do.
D5.1248 Says the fact scum did not know each other’s roles lends credence to Drain’s defense. Unvotes her. Vote Meeko.
*This bother’s me. I don’t think Freudian was taking much heat at the point Drain voted her. It could easily have been a bussing vote that Drain thought would not lead to a lynch. I agree that scum would not want to actually lynch each other first Day since they did not know each other’s roles, but I could easily see scum placing a vote like that. I haven’t been overly suspicious of Drain, but I wonder if Red was so suspicious, why he thinks that Day 1 vote exonerates her.
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D5.1249 Corrects colors in previous post.
D5.1258 Responds to Alka’s points about last Nights actions. Says it also casts a bad light on Tom Scud.
D5.1259 Says he thinks Tom Scud has been defending him because Tom knows he is Town.
D5.1260 Said it is his first Day start game. Was assuming scum would know each other’s roles from the start.
D5.1265 In response to Alka, asks why it is more likely the godfather is in the unconfirmed pool.
D5.1267 In response to Alka, gives reasons why Tom may be scum godfather.
D5.1269 Responds to Alka, mostly about Tom possibly being godfather. Says Alka relies too heavily on what scum should do and does not account for scum making mistakes.
D5.1271 Concedes point that odds are that godfather is in the unconfirmed pool. Unvotes Meeko because he doesn’t want to be deciding vote.
D5.1272 Corrects previous post.
D5.1276 Revotes Meeko in response to Cookies statement that he should only do that if he does not find Meeko scummy. Says Meeko is scummiest, then Drain, then Tom.
D5.1278 Clarifies that he thinks Meeko is scummiest and explains his unvote and revote. Asks for Meeko’s reason for voting for him, or whether it is just self-preservation.
*I am still not quite sure of the reason for the unvote, but I also cannot really see a scum motivation for it.
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D5.1279 Responds to Tom Scud’s review of him. Says he did not push any bandwagons, just voted for scummy behavior. Did not notice self-defense aspect of vote for Meeko. Says Tom’s case magically appeared after he was called out for scummy behavior.
D5.1281 Explains to Drain what he was going to do after unvoting Meeko. Defend himself and not push anything. Also wonders if getting his mislynch out of the way might be better for Town.
D5.1284 Defends himself against Alka’s case. Makes several points. It is a recent post, so just look at it.
D5.1285 Again prompts Meeko to explain why he thinks Red is scum. And wonders why Meeko is deflecting the question to something Tom said.
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This was from the end of Day yesterDay, which I was not around for. I had said that in addition to Tom Scud’s vote pattern, I thought his Day 1 play looked like he was trying to get Freudian back on track. That was the subject of Alka’s question. I realize this won’t really apply toDay, but if we get to a point where we are looking for the godfather, I wanted to go ahead and answer this in case I am not around in the future.
I had gone back and read all of Tom Scud’s posts. When I made the post regarding his Day 1 play, I was thinking there were about 5 posts that he had directed at Freudian regarding rules or definitions or such. When I went back to get the post numbers, I found only three. I think maybe I remembered some of his posts to other players that were similar and was thinking they were also directed at Freudian. The posts are 204, 207, and 419. There were a few other posts that didn’t really fall into this category, but did appear to be lightly defending Freudian. Those were 194, 233, 247, and 249.