As long as none of us have to clean up afterwards…
Is not ‘trolling’ what everyone here is doing?
There is a notion here that the ‘pineal’ is an endocrine ‘gland’ producing something.
This is erroneous: The Pineal is a ganglion sitting atop the autonomic-sympathetic nervous system.
No. They’re insulting you, but it’s allowed in this part of the site. What you’re doing it playing games: refusing to answer the simplest questions over and over, dropping vague hints about what you’re talking about, and then taunting people.
I accept insults come with the territory, and I find all the other posters playing games and taunting as there normal posting style.
The answer to ALL questions, which cannot conceivably be seen as a vague hint, as to the existence and proof of the basis of the anatomical myth, is on page 170, paragraph 8, of G. I. Gurdjieff’s little book of four books of ten books, originally published under copyright by Triangular Editions, Inc., 1975, and in 1991 by Viking Press.
“Stop trolling”
“I do not understand this… trolling you speak of.”
“Posting smarmy, vague hints so you can bait and frustrate posters, and the taunting them.”
"Oh, well, I shant do that that. Honestly, I do not understand the reaction I have gotten. Obviously, the confusion is because all other posters here are dishonest game players who lack the intellectual fortitude to follow my clues. I shall happily tell posters that they should invest their hard earned dollars to buy a book of four books of ten books, published in 1975 and 1991, and they should look for a certain paragraph, which they’ll have to interpret themselves. There, did you see good sir? First I taunted people, and then I dropped vague hints while refusing to answer the simplest question. Surely this solves the problem. "
“You’re not very smart, are you?”
“What… you were expecting me to give you the name of the book, quote what I’m citing, and then explain myself? What kind of a troll do you take me for, sir!?!”
I noticed the disappearance of the Sacred Marriage. I liked the Sacred Marriage!
Oh oh, the troll is getting oraged.
Only a troll would go on, and on, and on, pretending to cite a work, when failing to name it, and failing to simply post a link to it, such as: Life Is Real Only Then, When “I Am”, by G I Gurdjieff, and then failing to quote the cited passage.
An only a fool would mistakenly think that he is the only person to have read the “secret” document to which he alludes.
Thank you for that site!
I had no idea it even existed. I loves me some good e-books.
And I even found a link to what I think the troll is trolling about. Published in the US in '73 by Triangle Editions. Views from the Real World seems to be it.
And the passage in question seems to be (drumroll please),… not there.
Page 170 has 6 paragraphs, if you count the last few lines of a paragraph from page 169. None of them deal with any Third Eye hoodoo voodoo. Nothing in the few pages before or after does, either. Although there is some heavily metaphor-laden stuff on pages 164 and 165 that our guest may have taken a bit too… literaly. I’d want to chew on it a few times before coming to any tentative conclusions as to what Gurdjieff ‘meant’ by it. But it certainly has nothing to do with any pineal gland nonsense, especially nothing that claims that a gland of the endocrine system which produces melatonin is somehow mystical.
Ah well. I wonder why it was that I figured that if anybody tracked down the troll’s cite, they’d find it had ‘problems’. :rolleyes: I’d also be willing to bet that the troll won’t, now, quote the passage he’s talking about. And even if by some miracle he does, he almost definitely won’t explain what he thinks it means. I could be wrong, and he may stop trolling, but I doubt it.
Luckily enough, I’ve always enjoyed the writings of Gurdjieff and so this find is something I’ll personally enjoy. That I happened to find it because a troll mentioned it is irrelevant.
My favorite quote that I’ve found so far: “I ask you to believe nothing that you cannot verify for yourself.” (page 67) Troll seems to have forgotten that.
And again Muffin, thanks very much for that link. Awesome fucking site.
Very weird, the link doesn’t seem to have copied correctly. Here it is again, just the URL.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5948590/GI-Gurdjieff-Views-From-the-Real-World-Early-Talks
I confess that I haven’t laughed this hard in a while now. However, that’s more due to the contributions of those inspired (or enraged) by the pittee rather than the pittee himself.
I read that entire thread and was amazed that people were able to come up with a concise and readable “explanation.” I read DocCathode’s summary and thought “Oh, is THAT what this is all about?” (Not that I really understood it, but I haven’t done the reading, either.)
Yes, yes, I know the Secrets of the Universe and shall hint at them indirectly, taunting you to read obscure passages in obscure books while not deigning to post the cite directly. Because having done so, you shall see that the random passage that I am citing has nothing to do with the bacon gland that I am positing is the source of my great mystical power and enlightenment.
Or some such hooey.
The Great Trap of the Occult is Ego.
Pineal gland, pfft… real men think with their penile glans.
It’s posts like that that make me proud to have been born in Montreal.
I think friend Maatorc has achieved something I thought unattainable; I believe that, in his very first post (the OP of the “Grail” thread) he not only introduced himself, but became a self-parody, before we even got to know him.
I wasn’t on here when Lekaat first showed up; was it like that? Just absolutely useless, right out of the bag?
Not me. My house really is made of bread.
Yet you don’t care enough to tell us what it is. Ho hum.
Beef jerky. Don’t tell.
I guess you could build a house out of beef jerky.
There is a misunderstanding here. The pineal ganglion is not the underlying principle of the myth, but is an organ that is influenced by the Work based on the myth.
The answer to ALL questions, which cannot conceivably be seen as a vague hint, as to the existence and proof of the basis of the anatomical myth, is on page 170, paragraph 8, of ’ Life is real only, then, when “I am” ’ by G. I. Gurdjieff, originally published under copyright by Triangular Editions, Inc., 1975, and in 1991 by Viking Press.
Gurdjieff here refers to the underlying principle of the anatomical myth, employing a specifically anatomical context, not to any single organ in the body, (as seems to be the erroneous conclusion of a poster here who found the book).
What Gurdjieff wrote is identical to the central doctrine of an inner group within the Rosicrucian operation which has been continuously active since the sixteenth century.
This doctrine underlies this central movement within the western mystical tradition and precisely explains the nature and meaning of the anatomical myth.
The reason my comments but point in the general direction of the myth is that no literature or scholarship can prove the existence and truth of the myth, which proof must be based exclusively on personal experience of the working of the myth.
The myth and it’s operation and any group within a genuine myth operation will not come to you: You must go to it.
If, after whatever degree of study and research you choose to make, you conclude against the myth and its’ operation, it is your rightful and respected decision.