Well, just being fair, SA was complaining that dopers are saying that Trump was a failure or not smart at all. Not the case; however, it is then valid to point out that a lot of what dopers are reporting about Trump is indeed pointing out what you are saying here, by Trump standards Trump is not as he pretends to be.
Just as Carson showed that a brain surgeon can be an ignorant in many other fields, so is Trump showing to be way out of his league if he wants to be president. Using fear and ignorance to win among Republicans should not give him praise either.
Voting for Hillary will be the second time I’ve voted for a Democrat. The first time was last year, and it really wasn’t Romney I minded but the GOP as a party. The tipping point in that decision: Romney nominating Ryan as VP, and embracing the Ryan tax plan. Bottom line: if the GOP can’t figure how to do a primary debate that doesn’t sound like racist toddlers explaining the broken cookie jar, they may never get my vote back.
Anyway, this time the vote isn’t just a protest vote. Hillary really is the better candidate.
You’re mostly arguing against points I never made, and the one point I did make (his being smart) you haven’t argued against with any proof to the contrary. All you’ve done is deny it and claim that it’s ignorant. I’ve said nothing about whether he’s as successful as he claims or whether he’s using fear and ignorance in his run for the presidency.
To take the view that Trump isn’t successful because of a few failures is simply incorrect. Most successful people have failures during their career. They make bad decisions or bad investments or life simply takes a different turn than they expect. They are judged to be successful if their overall record is one of success, and Trump’s certainly is.
Basically, anyone who claims Trump is stupid or owes his success to daddy’s money and fleecing bondholders is letting their bias rule their intellect. I understand the feeling. As I’ve said before I don’t like having to acknowledge Bill Clinton is all that when it comes to intelligence, but plenty of evidence exists otherwise so I accept that he is. In other words, I try not to let my bias against him blind me to the facts. People who don’t like Trump would be well advised to do the same. As soon as anyone starts in on how stupid he is or starts making a big deal out of his taking four companies bankrupt out of the hundreds he owns, they immediately lose credibility to anyone who knows better.
Well, not my problem if you use the ignorance card, his anti-vaccination position should be enough to demonstrate that he has many blind spots and his intelligence is suspect when he does not know how to correct that defect, in other issues this item was posted many times before:
Woman’s question: “I’m a volunteer with a leading conservation voters group and we want to know about what your plan is to reduce pollution that is driving climate change and endangering public health.”
Trump: “That’s an interesting question. Let me ask you a question… Ok, so we have global, let me ask you this, ok to [hissing and some boos from the crowd] take it easy… How many people, how many people here believe in global warming? [Turns around looks for hands up] You believe in global warming?
Who believes in global warming?
Who believes in global warming?
Raise your hand, nobody? * One person…”
This is worse than ignorance, it is idiocy. Even professional “skeptics” tell us that global warming is happening but is natural, so the answer should had been yes, but not even that :smack:
What fake skeptics deny is the climate change that that warming brings and that it is human caused.
You may claim an out about us not talking about the same, but it is underwhelming to claim that those are not related. The point was that others can not claim that Trump is a failure or dumb in everything, and you can not claim that Trump is a great genius or successful as you want him to picture it. Just saying.
I think you have made your point abundantly clear, in numerous posts in several threads. Likewise, it seems that most people actually have other, more important reasons for not wanting to vote for Trump than whether or not he can be deemed a successful businessman or not. So could we maybe move on from the broken-record recitation of how many enterprises he happens to have his name on? Just asking here.
This makes no sense to me. If you would prefer Trump to win and you are already in the voting booth, why wouldn’t you take the less than half a second to vote for him?
I don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell in the general election, but I didn’t think he would get the nomination either. So my predictions are worth what they usually are. If the Libertarians nominate a serious person, maybe that person. Maybe Hillary - she’s a paranoid like Nixon was, and maybe she will get caught in a scandal equivalent to Watergate. Probably not, though - the press would try hard to look the other way.
Hopefully Trump gets trounced but the GOP retains control of the Senate and House to act as a check on Hillary, and then revamps itself so it doesn’t pick another clown next time.
On a personal level I despise Trump. As a practical matter, it would be better if he were president than if Clinton were president. So if my vote would have a practical impact, then what’s practically better would be of greater importance. If my vote is nothing more than an expression of support, then I don’t want to express support for Trump.
Pretty much, yes - they would ignore it as much as possible, spin it in her favor as hard as possible, and then dismiss it as old news as soon as possible.
Yes I agree if by “ignore it as much as possible” you mean “cover it with daily updates”.
I posted this in response to some paranoid Bernhead but could use repeating here:
People talk about Trump the iconoclast, the game-changer, the guy who’s rewriting all the rules, doing things people said couldn’t be done, turning the world on its ear, et cetera… but it’s only now that it truly sinks in for me, when I see Starving Artist and Shodan talk about voting for Hillary Clinton.
I apologize if my inconvenient truths are bothersome to you but we are about fighting ignorance here, aren’t we? If you want me to stop pointing out the facts about Trump, I’d suggest you work on trying to suppress the board’s erroneous posts about him instead.