With regards to the kicks that’s why I mentioned kicks in the order of legs, liver, head. You aren’t wise to start with a head kick against someone who might have you on speed. But cracking that upper thigh and side of the knee a few times before hitting the torso might discourage your foe. Shin on thigh at high speed can make someone reconsider and it’s not a super risky move.
Perhaps and at this age maybe I am overestimating natural advantages. Even though formally not trained we had a group of us in the trailer park that watched a ton of cheesy kung-fu movies and pro-wrestling on the TV. Now the one thing about pro-wrestling is that those moves are legit submissions and we were able to work out the techniques for all the ones common to pro-wrestling in the 80s which included rear naked chokes, figure four leglocks and kneebars, spinal locks and cranks, and some variations of armbars. The 80s wrestlers seemed to have come from a more catch wrestling background and catch wrestling is legit. We, there was like a group of 8 of us, would wrestle almost every day and we had strict rules about submissions and slams to make sure no one got hurt.
The quick punch or strike from a more powerful foe is likely to make a pure grappler worry a bit. Here’s a classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgWQkzX-efQ. Note the inability of the jiu-jitsu black belt to deal with a more powerful man. And they are approximately equal weights at the time. Fedor may have been lighter?
But anyways, I think there is a lot of value in women training combat. Especially the arts where they get hit a bit and learn to scuffle. However, the primary goal in self defense situations in my opinion is self preservation and fleeing is always good.
There is a reason that combat sports are segregated by weight, after a certain point the physical discrepancy is so much that no amount of skill will make up for it.
The early UFC wasn’t segregated by weight. THe big guys won more often, but not THAT much often. They even advertised David vs. Goliath twice in their tournaments and in the first case a little guy won(by beating a much larger man) and the second time a medium guy won.
Nowadays they have weight classes because talent is more even than it was in the UFC’s early days. In the early days people with vastly differnet levels of training competed and so size made very little difference. The sumo guys have especially fared badly and they are the biggest of the big.
Which is pretty mich the same size advantage that I have. I also have some martial arts experience. I would give myself a chance, not a big one; but say about 5-10%…
Against a pugilist like Holly Holms on the other hand,yeah no chance. Boxers are tough bastards, they know how to hit and how to get hot, as displayed by the ass whipping Holms administered to Rousey last year.
Did anyone ever see Jackass where Johnny Knoxville got in with a female kickboxer? It didn’t look to me like it was much of a contest. Ah, it wasn’t Knoxville, it was Dunn:
And DUnn does not look like a schlub either. DOesn’t have a big size advantage, but he’s no couch potato.
Dude, seriously Jackass, the guys are paid to be punching bags, the guy literally didn’t fight back I don’t think he even threw one punch its pretty obvious not a real fight, its just watching someone practice on what amounts to a dummy meant to sit there and take it.
He stopped fighting back when he got hit for real. That’s what took the fight out of him.
Here’s another one featuring the best female kickboxer of all time vs. a midddling male kickboxer. He wins handily(2nd round), but mainly because at the beginning of the 2nd she just went after him, do or die. She could hav held out longer fighting cautiously. And most men aren’t middling kickboxers. In a real life situation there’s no way a guy beats her before he gets too tired to be effective. Most men can’t fight more than two minutes.
It’s painfully obvious he didn’t even attempt to fight her, he just stood there and bounced around a little bit, he threw like a half a punch with no force, one time.
ROFL Been in a couple bar fights, and my signature move is to send some assholes nads to the moon, works like a charm. Though when pushed by a drunk [when a woman sitting at a bar says no, she still means no, she isn’t interested in some drunk asshole thinking he is God’s gift to women to keep pushing her for a quick fuck…] I would tell him no 3 times, then I would dump a drink on him, and if he still didn’t get the damned idea, he would get a steel toed shoe to the kneecap. You don’t slap a drunk, they generally are dulled enough to shrug it off and you can hurt your hand [same goes for a punch to the face] <shrug> I would have preferred to avoid an overall bar fight, but in some of the places my band played shit occasionally happened.
I spent over 20 years off and on working security in local night clubs. I am not a big guy but I had some skills and was above average in strength. I can tell you with certainty that a lot of women I had to try and control were tougher than a lot of men and would have easily kicked ass on a lot of out of shape men. A man will almost always strike harder than a woman but a lot of men can’t strike hard enough to really do any damage. If a woman is in shape she can easily wear him down in less than a minute and then pulverize him. Most men won’t fight back when a woman attacks them until they figure out they are in real danger of getting hurt.
I feel like a lot of people are discounting the effects of being one of the most highly trained fighters in the world. What would likely happen is that she would dance around you dodging your attacks until you ran out of steam. And then that would be that.
I think the bottom line is that a well-trained, fit woman will beat an untrained, out-of-shape man. Give the man more training and better fitness, and at some point that turns around to favor the man. And that turnaround point is probably at a pretty low level of both.
Even Ronda Rousey is done for if an opponent that outweighs her by a ratio of 2:1 gets to turn it into a grappling match. Chokeholds, armbars, etc mean very little when your opponent has so massive of a leverage advantage that they can simply roll over without there being anything you can do to prevent it.
The only way a highly trained combatant of any sort or gender wins in the face of a massive weight differential (and concomitantly assumed leverage advantage) is by keeping the fight off the ground - which is all-but-impossible in a real fight against a combatant that is not a complete moron. The second an opponent who outweighs you by a significant amount gets you on the ground, you’re fucked, generally speaking - there is a very, very pressing reason that martial arts and combat sports of all sorts have weight categories. Fights favour the fat guy over the fit guy - the real ones even moreso than the refereed ones in a ring.
Ronda Rousey is highly trained but so is McGregor. He tagged Diaz several times and cut him but couldn’t stun him. Size matters. Ronda Rousey got knocked out by a ~140lb woman. A 240lb man that can punch, elbow, knee, and kick and knows basic submission defense is favored to win.
Back in the early UFC’s where you had kings of the local McDojo getting submitted by world class shoot-fighters and jiu-jitsu practioners ignorance of the relative merits of various martial arts was high. Now people have a better understanding of the effectiveness of different styles and can avoid the obvious submissions if they are physically superior.
I agree that a man has huge advantages on a woman, but I don’t think average joes can beat world class female fighters. Not even close. If that were the case, what would be the point of female fighting in the first place? No one watches TV to see people compete who are inferior to the average viewer. The reason for seperation of sexes in sports is so that the elite women can be recognized, not as charity cases based on the assumption that literally ANY guy could beat them at their chosen sport.
This dude is ~190lbs. He is not striking. He basically just doing some weak defense. She can't do a thing. Imagine if he was punching, elbowing, kicking, and kneeing. Or just slamming her onto the ground. 190lbs isn't even that large of a male.
