First of all, I doubt the claim about “no matter what the size.” Can a 120-lb woman defeat a 130-lb man? Sure. But can a 90-lb woman defeat a muscular 200-lb man? Much more doubtful.
Second, don’t believe that what happens in self-defense class is what could happen in real life. In the classroom, an instructor or classmate cannot use serious, lethal, force or weapons the way an assailant can do so in real life.
Every time someone goes on about highly trained, highly skilled martial artists…
I remember this 3rd degree tournament fighter/instructor who was stabbed to death by a drugged out homeless guy just a mile from where I worked at the time.
He was stabbed in the heart with a screwdriver so many times that the responding officers believed he had been shot close range with a shotgun.
Training isn’t a panacea, it’s an “all other things being equal” thing, there if all other things are equal, the well trained fighter beats the poorly trained fighter. The reason people like to train is because it’s something you can control. It’s hard to make yourself a lot bigger(especially if you’re a woman), and other factors, such as surprise and home field advantage, can be impossible to control. So you train, and you hope for those situations where your training is sufficient to save the day. In the case of the poster who revived this thread, 4-11 110 vs 5-5 130, that’s not too bad and training clearly made a big difference there.
I can’t believe this thread. Talk about testosterone poisoning of the brain. Of course a fit trained woman can beat the crap out of an unfit untrained man. Men aren’t magically strong or have magical fighting skills; if they don’t work out they become far weaker than a fit woman. I know quite a few men who cannot even lift the bags of livestock feed I routinely carry around. Many fit women have extremely powerful legs and can kick like a mule even without any fight training. One kick to the groin and it’s over.
I’m not trained in any kind of fighting, and the one and only time a man attacked me (he was about 80 pounds heavier than me) I won. If I’d wanted to, I could have beat the crap out of him but since I’m not an aggressive man I just left instead. In high school, I got pissed at some bullying going on of a small boy and took out the large male bully with one swift kick. I am quite sure such scenarios happen all of the time. The men are too embarrassed to talk about them (not to mention they don’t want to admit they attacked a woman if that is what happened) and the women don’t bother talking about it because well, women don’t really care about winning “monkey fights” as someone here called them.
If a fit trained man went after a woman, that’s a totally different story. But in fight between a trained woman and an untrained man, I’d bet on the woman every time.
So the moral of the story is that women can fight but they can’t drive?
Probably because you didn’t read it.
Nice.
Which many, many people have said. In this thread.
Which many, many people have said. In this thread.
Which many, many people have said. In this thread. Which you can’t believe.
That doesn’t mean that a significant size difference can’t change the dynamic; as pointed out, a 90-pound woman going up against a tall 200-pound man in a close grapple is going to be at a huge disadvantage no matter how well she’s trained. That’s not sexism; that’s just basic physics. And a nad shot is neither always guaranteed to be an option nor always a fight-ender if landed.
My best interpretation of the above:
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I remember one time I had to fight a guy. What had happened was I had just got home from ironically my kickboxing class. So I pulled into my drive way and as I get out of my car I hear this guy yelling so I turned and looked and saw this guy coming at me.
I say can I help you and he walks up to me slaps me and says you better learn to drive bitch. I immediately push him backwards and say to him you better back off and keep your hands off of me. I then said don’t call me a bitch and said what the hell is your problem.
He then starts by yelling how I cut him off, I say sir if I did I am sorry but you need to calm down and we can discuss this. He then gets in my face and yells shut up lady I will not calm down you better keep your mouth shut and listen.
At this point I have had enough of this guy, I mean I was by myself that week my husband was on a business trip so I was getting really annoyed. I yelled at him you seriously need to get off of my property now before I call the police.
I then said who the hell do you think you are disrespecting me on my own property. He then yells I will not go anywhere Zoey, you want me off of your property then force me off.
I am shocked at this point that he knows my name, I then say that is it I am calling the police. I go to get my cell phone to call the police he then knocks my phone out of my hand grabs me by my hair and jacks me up against my car.
I yell dude I am not scared of you and you better get off of me immediately before you get hurt. He then says you are not and cannot do anything lady just accept it.
Now I am completely pissed I pushed him back again and said you seriously need to leave. (I think he underestimated me and thought because H was 5’5 130 lbs, a guy and in his mid twenties and I was only 4’11, 110 lbs,
40 years old and a woman that he could push me around and intimidate me but with taking kick boxing and growing up the youngest and only girl with five brothers made me extremely tough and also made me not intimidated of guys,
I mean it doesn’t matter how much pain I have to go through or what I have to do I will get you off of me.)
He then pushes me backwards and I yelled at him last time if you put your hands on me again you will get yourself hurt. He says shut up and then tried to swing at me I block him from the inside and open him up and punch him
immediately in the face his head snaps back, he yelled fuck and falls to his knees. He then gets up and tries to swing at me again I block him from the outside, I kneed him in the stomach and then ax kick him on the back of the head.
Which he goes down and this time stays down. I was then able to call the police and after a few minutes they came and ended up arresting him for several charges which he was convicted.
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I did my best to try to make some paragraphs out of this, Zooey, but For The Love Of Og, will you please stop lobbing bricks at us?
Thank you.
Female MMA fighter Ronda Rousey is 5′ 7″ and 135 lbs. Do any of you fat nerds think you could take her in a fight? Because I have at least 3" and 50 lbs on her and I’m pretty sure she would whoop my ass.
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I suspect that as a 4’5" 130 lbs man, “intimidating people” was not a concept that went through his head that often.
Ronda Rousey
Mixed Martial Artist <<<would LOVE to see a mugger try her!
HTG, and they say TESTOSTERONE is bad!
Again, in this thread, the bolded part is the important part, and the part that most needs challenging/questioning.
Yes. That’s a silly question. Trained or not I outweigh her by 110 pounds. I have 4 inches of height on her and I’m not seeing how she effectively closes distance to toss and arm bar me. She’d get kicked in the legs, liver, and side of the head. If she got inside leg range elbows and headbutt to nose would end that nonsense.
Watch McGregor vs Diaz. A few extra pounds makes a big difference in combat sports. Especially when one is on the lighter side of the spectrum.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe she’d whip my ass and I’d have to make her a sandwich with my good arm.
The guard position is a staple of MMA and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. It becomes completely useless when the size discrepancy is big enough for the person in top position to physically pick up the person using it and slam their head into the floor. There is a reason for weight classes.
I think this whole thread is too speculative…
But, I will say this: I used to train at a boxing gym (I didn’t box, just lifted), and I watched some women spar there. One woman (a local champ) was so damn fast! She could hit you three times before you knew what had happened. So, regardless of size or strength, skill, training, and technique are important - there’s no way I would want to fight her, even though I was bigger and stronger.
I value my teeth.
Yeah, someone tried that with Gracie. In order to pick a person up you have to put your arm in a position to get broken, which is what happened. He did pick Gracie up, he did slam Gracie, and then he submitted.
Unless you have some training, it’s unlikely to work out that way. She’s extremely quick. And throwing kicks is something most people can’t do well at all. An untrained kick almost always results in a takedown against a better opponent. She wouldn’t even bother to armbar you, you’d get ground and pounded. Don’t know the guard? Then you’re completely screwed.
Now even she’d admit that she’d probably lose to the 1000th best MMA fighter in the world. Aside from Floyd Mayweather, she’s not interested in fighting men. But against an untrained guy her quickness, conditioning, and technique are superior, and I’d suspect she’s stronger than 50% of males. Ronda’s max bench press is 250 I believe.
I’ve been in probably 30 fights. I grew up in Florida trailer parks. I can hold my own vs most men my size and I’m over 6’ and over 240lbs. I used to weight lift quite a bit and I grew up wrestling every day. Men have a few advantages over women in sports especially combat sports. Truth be told she might whip my ass today. But 5 years ago it wouldn’t have been close.
That puts you at a big advantage over most people, but there’s a science to grappling. Some things you pick up instinctively, but even trained wrestlers usually don’t know submission holds, and in my experience most experienced street fighter grapplers don’t know about things like side control or full mount and often don’t even know how to prevent themselves from being reversed when they are on top of you. I’ve reversed guys who had mount on me who weighed nearly 400 pounds, and I not only suck at fighting, I’m a weakling. But knowing just a few little tricks gives one a huge advantage. As they say in Gracie Jiu Jitsu, “Give me leverage and I can lift a mountain.” Or something like that. It’s been a while. These days I’m just an out of shape loser in his 40s. But in my 20s and 30s I had two things going for me: great cardio and some really neat tricks that could quickly turn the tables on people.
Now if you ambush Rousey, I give you the advantage. Women don’t take being punched in the face by a strong man very well, even trained fighters. But in a fair fight I think you’re on the ground pretty quickly, exhausted soon after, and then it’s just a matter of her doing whatever she wants to do to you.
adaher, do you have a cite for that 250lb bench press from Rousey because I googled it and I can’t find that anywhere but I find a lot of statements from her saying she doesn’t like and generally does not engage in weightlifting all that much. And even if it were true it doesn’t prove all that much Mariusz Pudzianowski is or was literally one of the strongest men in the world and after attempting a career in MMA he has had his ass handed to him several times by guys that were definitely weaker. Strength obviously has an important element in fighting but it isn’t everything.
I’ve got to agree with octopus, I think even the average 200lb guy would basically beat Rousey to a pulp, there is a reason for weight classes and the physiology is just in favor of the man, A more robust skeleton, stronger muscle, testosterone, etc. Its not a knock against her, she is a great fighter and I respect her but she fights other women and women that are in the same weight class for a reason.
Sure she does. And I’m sure men are better at most things than women that require strength and speed. Think you can beat an average high school female tennis player? Can you outrun an average high school female track member?
Granted, I don’t think a man has to reach a very high bar of training to beat a smaller woman, but there has to be SOMETHING. Some knowledge of grappling, some clue about what to do when on the ground. Or at least how to throw a decent punch. And God help any man that thinks they can just throw a high kick at a woman with training.