Could God incarnate as man and is Meher Baba God in human form?

Isn’t this just a big copy/paste job? Are those allowed in GD?

Question 1: I suppose a god worthy of the title can do anything.
Question 2: No. He was a nut on an ego trip. (First 21st-century use of the term? Last?)

Here’s another question: When you started this thread, was it your intention to actually converse with us, or did you just intend “spread the word” and see if it took?

I suppose it’s still debatable. :wink:

Yes, I think Meher Baba was God in human form. There are several reasons. His explanations of the purpose of creation are very cogent and compelling. Baba said that “He who loves God becomes God,” that is, through intense love for God we can experience His infinite power, knowledge, and bliss. Baba also touched the heart of nearly everyone he met and appears divinely happy and loving in the many films of him, as demonstrated in the short clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPm5lsB2DyQ. The main reason to believe in Baba is perhaps what William James called “religious experience.” Baba said that "True faith is grounded in the deeper experiences of the spirit and the unerring deliverances of purified intuition. It is not to be regarded as the antithesis of critical reason but as the unfailing guide of critical reason. When critical reason is implemented by a deep and living faith based on pure intuition, its functioning becomes creative, fruitful, and significant instead of barren, ineffective, and meaningless. On the other hand, many forms of naive credulity cannot be broken through except by the fearless and free working of critical reason. However, it remains true that critical reason can touch and inform only those kinds of faith that are not based upon pure intuition. True faith grounded in pure intuition always remains an imperative that cannot be ultimately reduced to the conclusions of rational intellect. It is not derived from the limited intellect but is more fundamental and primary, with the result that it cannot be silenced by any intellectual acrobatics. This does not mean, however, that faith need at any stage be blind, in the sense that it is not allowed to be examined by critical intellect. True faith is a form of sight and not of blindness. It need not be afraid of the free functioning of critical reason.”

My intention in posting was to spread Baba’s message of love and truth, but I never knew it would elicit so many entertaining responses. The description of the Great Debates forum on the Straight Dope Message Board says, “For long-running discussions of the great questions of our time. This is also the place for religious debates and (if you feel you must) witnessing.”

A priori I find this type of statement shallow and unconvincing. Suppose a god chose to assume flesh and a human form for people’s profit, it is hard for me to understand how mortals could benefit from what this metamorphosis may entail rather than from what a god can be and do in his original form.

I watched the video, I read the words.
To say I am underwhelmed would be to put it kindly, I’m afraid. He looks likes someone’s grandfather who was just told, “Smile for the camera, Grampa!”-Nothing special about it at all.
The words? Intellectual pablum. “True faith grounded in pure intuition always remains an imperative that cannot be ultimately reduced to the conclusions of rational intellect.” Words of intellect strung together to mean…what, exactly?

Mortals could benefit from this metamorphosis because 1. It is easier for some to love a personal God than the impersonal One and 2. God takes human form to work for humanity. “The Avatar does not take upon himself the karma of the world nor does he become bound by it. But he takes upon himself the suffering of the world which is the result of its karma. His suffering for the world is vicarious. It does not entail entanglement with the karma of the world. But humanity finds its redemption from its karma through his vicarious sufferings, e.g., illness, humiliation, accidents and the like. In his own ways, the Avatar unfailingly fulfills his incarnation by giving a spiritual push to his age.” (Meher Baba)

I think the words mean that true faith is based on inner experience. Ultimately, if someone claiming to be God doesn’t touch the heart, then it is just “intellectual acrobatics.” One of Baba’s disciples, Elizabeth Patterson, wrote "How can we recognize the true Messiah? This has been many times asked of Meher Baba. In a series entitled Questions and Answers, Meher Baba has replied: “The feeling and inspiration for things sublime, and Divine Love, are imparted by a real Messiah to anyone who comes in contact with Him. A false Messiah cannot do this. Through His Divinity the true Messiah gradually attracts the world to Himself, and the people come to know and feel that He is real. The knowledge and feeling of confidence in His words and works grow gradually into certainty, and masses follow Him drawn by an irresistible force. A mirage attracts the thirsty, but soon it is discovered to be an illusion and not the life-giving water. A false Messiah may attract the attention of the people through outward appearances, by force of personality, or by intellectual dissertations about spirituality; but he cannot do that which the true Messiah can do, i.e., arouse the highest ideals in men and touch the hearts of millions.”

I knew from the start, deep down in my heart, that me and Mr. Baba were worlds apart.

Then judging by the vast numbers of people that seem to be unimpressed by his message, he seems to fall into the latter category. Perhaps if his life wasn’t one long chain of accidents and illnesses, and/or perhaps if he hadn’t taken on the affectation from 1925 until the day of his death of not speaking(until 1954 he only communicated by pointing at an alphabet board!), he might have had a better base to work from.

Irrelevant. Real benefactors are capable of devotion to the welfare others without being loved.

Is that it? The fruit of this so-called work is not only non-verifiable but also insignificant in relation to what a god should be able to perform.

“Within 100 years, people throughout the Roman empire (Asia Minor, Europe) became followers of Jesus.” Brief Life Summary: Who Was Jesus Christ?

As was the case with Jesus and other Avatars, time will tell whether Baba can “arouse the highest ideals in men and touch the hearts of millions.”

It’s been 46 years and he has fewer followers than ever. Time has told.

“I’m so important and my personal suffering is so epic that MY suffering isn’t that of one human, it’s FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!”

Well I disagree with this. Baba continued to communicate and the silent-but-deadly shtick has some resonance.

More generally, I think a Devil’s Advocacy case for the OP shouldn’t be too difficult. Vague and ambiguous claims are like that.

Meher Baba was a piker next to Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.

If Baba was such hot stuff, why didn’t his followers buy him Rolls-Royces and diamond-encrusted watches, as befits a true holy man?

There are numerous explicit and implicit claims in the OP and the subsequent posts.

The OP should demonstrate that:
(1) there is a divine realm;
(2) the divine realm is dwelled by one God as opposed to multiple deities;
(3) the people claiming to be manifestations of God are not mere human beings;
(4) human beings have an incorporeal and immortal essence commonly named soul;
(5) the transmigration of the soul is real;
(6) moral karma is real.

If such aspects are ignored or addressed in figurative/metaphorical language (as opposed to literal languate), it would seem to me that the purpose of this thread is not to debate, but to preach.