Then either do not fuck outside the marriage, or do not fuck without birth control. If you are female and rape is a consideration, go on birth control. Simple.
If you fuck a fertile woman with no birth control, consider a resulting child your penalty and learn from the experience.
Well, birth control does fail sometimes - you have to accept a tiny amount of risk with any fertile woman if you’re a fertile male.
Hence, handguns.
I’d stick a hand out in front of her. But it wouldn’t be to shake. Because only one of my fingers would be sticking up.
I would like to know what kind of academics you are involved in if you would care to share.
I believe she’s a librarian.
Surely the Roma are a traditional, patriarchal society in which a woman’s place is at home minding children and looking after the menfolk?
What is a proud Roma woman doing going out to work and holding down two jobs that should be done by men? Her husband should be putting bread on the table for her and her children. It must be shameful that he’s not, I suppose.
Your confusing Roma with Traveler.
So in your world sex is only a privilege of the well to do? Seriously, I’ve always considered sex with a willing partner to be a basic human right. Birth control including abortion exists so that when that sex results in unwanted pregnancy people have recourses without creating catastrophes. Believe it or not plenty of people talk about sex with the partners, they come to agreements, and then they discover their partner is a lying weasel.
And what part of helps support did you not read. In an extended family everyone pitches in together. True I’m a big earner, but not the only one and the loss of my income would severely affect many people. This is true in many families.
It’s a privilege of those willing to take responsibility for their actions.
And by take responsibility, I don’t mean smother the life from your three day old child while your babymama’s in the next room.
Roma aren’t traditionally patriarchal? I thought “Roma” transliterated from Romani as “the men?”
I agree that (consensual) sex is a human right; like most rights, it comes with responsibilities. I sympathise with men who end up with kids they never wanted, but it’s biology that causes that to happen, nothing else.
And, er, life is a basic human right too, and you’re advocating murder.
Don’t look now but it seems the two of you are being ignored.
Don’t be stupid. Sex is, of course, for everyone. Sex that is utterly without consequences is a privilege of nobody, not even the well to do. If your partner turns out to be a lying weasel, well, maybe you should have gotten to know them better before you screwed them. Or maybe you should just realize that sometimes your actions have unpleasant consequences that you have to live with.
I’m sure you’re a big wheel down at the library of metaphysical nonsense and all, but if there are other people earning good wages in your family then I suspect you are really overstating how dire the results of you supporting a child would be. Besides that, your family would not be suffering ‘the loss of your income’, you would be paying a set sum for child support monthly. They don’t take your whole paycheck. And anyways, what would happen if you lost your job or fell ill and couldn’t work as much? Would your whole giant family starve? Better make it illegal to fire people or let people have sick leave, since the consequences could be so terribly dire!
I wish you would explain that to my cat.
Who’s horse was Roma?
This whole thread makes me want to go to the quarry and throw stuff.
(Hey it’s much better than “shaking hands is rape”).
Mmmmmm, I love a Roma therapy.
It’s not. her beliefs about the Romani appear to be taken from some bad 40’s movie where by the full moon the women will curse you turning you into the Wolfman if you dare touch them, particularly the hand.
Fortune teller indeed.
I am curious, what tribe do you belong to? Please enlighten us?