Since facts won’t convince worshipers of the God-Emperor, mind-altering drugs may be the only humane alternative long-term. Or subliminal hypnotic messages injected in Fox-Breitbart-Infowars-etc video feeds, with an unmasking to reveal the insectoid creature under the orange toupee. But don’t show the Pee Tape - it’s too exciting.
This, from the poster that defended Junior’s “trigger your family” tweet?
I definitely find myself in agreement with KidCharlamagne in terms of general approach, and I agree with the suggestion to not blindside someone.
My question for the Dope is how many kids were separated at the border before Trump/Millers zero tolerance era? I know that that law existed for awhile, but how often was it used? My understanding was that it was created to pull kids away from traffickers’, and I would have assumed it was invoked infrequently, but any numbers?
Traffickers, abusive parents, parents caught committing violent crimes, etc.
I don’t know the numbers but given that those are all fairly rare things compared to simple, normal travel over the border by bland, ordinary people it’s reasonable to say that it should have been blindingly obvious to anyone with a brain that you would need to increase the human and physical resources devoted to jailing and prosecuting illegal immigrants by a hundred or thousand times to enact a zero tolerance policy and expect to accomplish anything except taxing the system and causing it to fail out and become even less effective at preventing illegal immigration than it already had been.
Are you serious? The President is looking out for the little guy, making sure that the liberal deep state military judicial establishment isn’t punishing true warriors who know what needs to be done to kill ISIS and protect America!
You were in that thread, so you ought to know that I said I consider it “bad form”.
I’ve never seen any Doper provide a number for what you ask. They usually handwave it away. Cognitive dissonance in action.
What you actually did was try to turn it into an “Obama did it too!” thread.
When we don’t have the numbers requested, it isn’t “Cognitive dissonance” not to make numbers up. If you have those numbers, of course, then accuse away.
So we have 3 actions (by me) here: urging MMM to have a polite conversation with Uncle Bob, disapproving of Donald Trump Jr’s “trigger your family” invitation, and disapproving of Obama’s “get in their faces” suggestion. Those all seem remarkably consistent with a “let’s be civil to each other” attitude.
And that’s exactly what I heard from a retired Navy lifer who I talked to about this - well, not exactly exactly, because he’s not a Trump partisan on other issues. But he said: “A platoon chief with 8 deployments under his belt doesn’t deserve to lose his Trident because he was convicted of posing in a photo with a corpse. He was acquitted of the other stuff. The guys at the ‘tip of the spear’ who are out there doing the hardest jobs in the military need to know that someone has their back.”
The guys that you need to have your back are the guys in your platoon. If they’ve reported you for what they believed to be war crimes, it should be of little comfort to you to have a president who was too much of a coward to serve to be watching your back. Especially given the president’s backstabbing record.
Also, I read manson1972 comments as being facetious. I stand corrected if otherwise.
So you’re saying it’s cognitively dissonant to not see equivalency between the 2 administrations on this issue? Got any numbers to back that up?
There is no Democratic policy that deliberately separated children from their families. This White House deliberately separated children from families, and they explained why - they’re on record as advocating deliberately harming children by separating them from families to serve as a deterrent to future migrants.
I’m unaware of any other president from either party who ever advocated this.
A pretty good summation of terrorism.
You can’t convince him from across the table. You might be able to move him a distance on the porch sitting side by side and talking over a beer.
You’d have to be an exceptionally intellectually honest person to give any ground in a confrontation, especially with an audience. I know pitifully few of those on my own side in politics or even among my friends and I certainly don’t count myself among them. I treasure them when they’re the opposite of the isle, like the former National Auditor (Per Kristian Foss) who brought down his own government’s plans and plots several time with an astounding brutal integrity.
Facetious from me, yeah. But like Lamoral it’s exactly what I heard from Trump supporting military retirees. Of course these are the same people who think a Sikh service member having a beard is the end of the military as we know it :rolleyes:
Trump pardoning convicted war criminals? Protecting the military
Obama commuting Manning’s sentence? A slap in the face to the military
You really can’t win. Anything that Trump does is automatically the right thing to do.
Getting a measured number of talking points would be like measuring six tablespoons of water out of a fire hose.