Two weeks’ notice is still regarded as a courtesy by a departing employee when (a) the employer needs time to find a replacement, and/or (b) the employee has to train that replacement. Neither is true here.
Trump was impeached (that is, charged by the House) before he left office. He was tried in the Senate after he left office.
Which would be the flip side of those who automatically assume the best about Chris. But one would expect those who watch Chris Cuomo would fall more heavily on the side who assumes the best.
No, but somebody does in order to justify income from ad money.
So his Democratic audience is split on the issue but for bad reasons because he apologized and that absolves him. Would you say that’s why his biggest demographic loss in viewership is with women? They should accept the apology and move on?
Because you and I seem to be talking cross-purposes. I’m not trying to figure out how much affect this will have on Chris. I don’t really care about that. I just cared about explaining why I believe he should not have taken the actions he did.
Chris himself is only really important as an example. I’m more explaining why I think in general people should do what he did. I think you (and others) missed a bit chunk of it when you said it only mattered because he is a journalist or because he works on CNN. I think an actor giving advice to his brother about how to handle sexual assault allegations would be a problem. It would have the appearance of impropriety.
I agree with you that this isn’t likely to matter much for Chris. The main place where I think it might matter is if something else comes up. A small thing is a small thing until it becomes used to show a larger thing.
Hopefully that won’t happen, and Chris is a more upstanding person than his brother.
His advise was to go on the offensive. We saw how Andrew Cuomo threatened to destroy a NY Assemblyman and tried to retaliate against his accusers. I’m not seeing Chris’s advise as anything other than that of an enabler in light of that.
What “sensationalism”?
It’s really very simple:
That’s all I’ve been saying.
The point is, you were trying to frame it in a “both sides” way, and it just isn’t. The left is split on this issue, the right is not.
Erm…yes? What is the relevance of this to what we were talking about?
I’m not about to tell anyone what to do – for some maybe just the fact that Chris looks like Andrew might be enough for them to switch over, and that’s fine.
For those men or women that would argue that what Chris has done so far is already very serious, then I would disagree with them, as I have in this thread.
Nor do I. I’m not sure why you thought I was getting at that, I was still talking about people’s feelings in this thread.
Absolutely. I’ve said several times, is more comes out of this then I may well join the pile-on.
But it’s so small potatoes right now, and it’s kinda frustrating we’re being distracted from discussing Andrew because people want the CNN guy to be part of the story.
I agree, and I agree with the rest of your list too.
What I am disagreeing with is the desire some seem to have to making Chris part of the story. And frame it as Chris helping him “avoid the consequences of his actions”. That isn’t what’s happened. That we know of.
There will always be the most ardent supporter in any party. If a party is split then you’re seeing a a division along those lines.
the relevance is that the target audience are likely Democrats. Chris Cuomo’s ratings are dependent on this audience and not Republicans. More importantly, the loss of viewership is currently women.
Yes, and those who think telling a known bully to go on the offensive against a dozen women accusing him of sexual abuse will take him at is word that he values family above his job. Since he is a journalist the result is a loss of viewership among women who lost faith in his integrity.
You can’t use a split as evidence for the cause of the split.
Is that what he said? How do you know?
Because it would take him 2 seconds to say otherwise.
I don’t understand that response. What exactly are you suggesting?
What part of the sentence don’t you understand. I’m not suggesting anything. I’m saying outright that Chris can explain his counsel to his brother.
All of it. You made an allegation, and when asked how apparently you know this information, the response “because it would take him 2 seconds to say otherwise” is complete garbage.
I mean, can I now assert that Chris Cuomo collects pogs because “it would take him 2 seconds to say otherwise”? Proof!
You could say that if that if his brother was accused of collecting pogs and it was illegal to do so. Andrew Cuomo went on the offensive against his accusers and Chris was part of his counsel. So either he advised him to do it or advised against it.
Again, it’s a simple matter to clarify what that advise was.
It seems that he’s suggesting that Chris should be willing to say that his brother did not follow his advice. And I can see that argument, from the “appearance of propriety” idea.
If you give someone advice, and then, after that, they do additional bad things, it makes sense to say “that’s not what I advised.” That would help reduce the appearance of impropriety. Heck, if Christ would say “I counselled him to resign if he actually did it,” then he would come out smelling like roses.
That said, it’s possible that emotions clouded his judgement and he gave advice he regrets. Or that he doesn’t want to add insult to injury to his brother by saying he didn’t follow his advice. Family ties can cause a mess.
I will say that I believe that @Magiver and Chris’s other political opponents are jumping to conclusions based on their own biases. If you’ve never liked Chris Cuomo (or CNN), then this is a weak point that could be used for attack. And that’s one more reason I think it was a bad idea.
I don’t have cable and have never seen him on CNN. I’m not part of the demographic that caused the recent slide in his ratings. Since he was part of Andrew’s counsel and the resulting action was to attack his accusers then Chris’s viewership rides on what he advised his brother to do.
I don’t think it’s a particularly complicated issue.
That’s been my experience, as well. Where I’ve seen people get escorted out immediately has typically been when they’ve taken a new job at a competitor. Even though one has to imagine that, if someone was intent on stealing information to share with their new employer, they would have already done so before giving notice, it’s undoubtedly not a bad policy to cut ties immediately in that sort of situation.
Or “go on the offensive against your accusers” is neither something he told Andrew to do, nor told him not to do, as it is a sentence you just pulled out of nowhere.
In terms of the actual advice, I just watched again the tape of Andrew Cuomo’s initial defence of the allegations. He admits to basically everything, apart from the breast grope which he says didn’t happen. (and the stuff that’s come out since then)
Let me be clear – he’s a slimeball for his actions, not owning up to his actions, and not resigning initially.
However, this statement is a fairly generic denial – if Chris told him “go on the offensive” it seems he largely ignored that advice.
What are you talking about? Andrew Cuomo went after the people accusing him.
From the New York Times. How Cuomo and His Team Retaliated Against His Accusers
Governor Cuomo relied on a shrinking cadre of trusted advisers to guide strategy over sexual harassment allegations and to hit back at the women who accused him.
: The calls occurred earlier this year, when a growing number of claims that Andrew Cuomo made inappropriate comments or touched women without their permission had escalated into a political crisis for the three-term governor.
The cable news anchor encouraged his brother to take a defiant position and not to resign from the governor’s office, the people said. At one point, he used the phrase “cancel culture” as a reason to hold firm in the face of the allegations, two people present on one call said.
An example of the cancel culture process is given by the New York Times: People tied to Gov. Andrew Cuomo sought to damage the credibility of Lindsey Boylan, the first woman to accuse Mr. Cuomo of sexual harassment.
Days after Lindsey Boylan became the first woman to accuse Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of sexual harassment in a series of Twitter posts in December, people tied to the governor started circulating an open letter that they hoped former staff members would sign.
The letter was a full-on attack on Ms. Boylan’s credibility, suggesting that her accusation was premeditated and politically motivated.