Dante's Action Hero Mafia

Bizzarro mafia indeed! If your assumption of 3 scum is correct, we would lose on N2, NOT lylo on D3. This was already explained in post #78, and you seemed to acknowledge (reluctantly) that you understood the math in post #80.

I think you’re playing coy. You know exactly what I’m trying to explain here, and you understood it when I said it back on page 2. But, you know if you can keep the discussion on this stupid minutiae about whether there’s really 2 or 3 scum, and whether a no lynch buys us an extra night or not, then nobody will be talking about how you’re deliberately misrepresenting everything I’m posting. For example, I never suggested we no-lynch on day 1! Yet this is the third or fourth post where you claim I did.

For the record, 2 scum is lylo on day 3, not day 4. Once again, this is math that had been explained to you before, and you even acknowledged is correct. The only reason to keep bringing it up is distraction.

Nope, I’m seriously hoping for a lynch today.

No, I’m not. I said you’re insisting there are 3 scum, and yet acting in the way that is mathematically worst for town in that scenario. It’s very important that the two clauses I presented are brought together, and not argued as if I never said the second part.

Not your play style, perhaps. I never thought there were 3 scum, but nice job keeping the discussion on this topic. Maybe we can keep talking about it all the way through day 2, and nobody will notice that you’re stalling.

No I didn’t. I accused you of pointing suspicion without actually owning what you were saying. Almost every post in which you cast suspicion, you follow with something distancing yourself from that position. The important thing you should have quoted from me is that you don’t want any blood on your hands, Instead of yet again only quoting one part of a two part clause I wrote.

No I didn’t. I’m getting tired of pointing out all the deceit in your misrepresentations of what I said. I said “oh, you weren’t serious” in response to your suggestion that we lynch one of the people who didn’t vote for me. It was a joke.

Why are you spending so much time arguing against a position I never held? I never campaigned for a no-lynch day 1. All I did was point out to you that it was the best option if you were right about the scum ratio, which I believed was NOT the case.

No, I didn’t. I described “if you flip town after a lynch/night kill, we can consider where that leaves HookerChemical” as weasel words. What exactly do you mean by “we can consider where that leaves him”? There’s no reasonable argument against HC being town in this scenario, yet you seem to want to leave the door open for the possibility of doubt. That’s weasel words.

WF Tomba thinks it’s obvious, but (s)he’s wrong. I explained why I wrote what I wrote, and it’s not because of a power role.

Hooker Chemical is town. I know this because he switched his vote when he didn’t have to. This would be an obvious conclusion for me to draw as a vanilla townie. I don’t have a power role, and I never claimed one.

So no night kill. Yay ki yay! Also, Dante I’m liking the narration as well. The fact that it’s open to interpretation as to what happened isn’t something I was expecting, but I think it’s adding an interesting element.

I know my not being eager for a night kill without stronger evidence wasn’t a universally held opinion, but the blocked kill makes me feel a lot better about it. We got plenty of information to discuss and accusations to make for Day Two, and I’m all aboard the lynch train now. I’m not sure who I’m lynching, but I’ll start by talking it out. I’ll cast a vote for candidate number one this afternoon/evening, in all likelihood, then have plenty of time to see where other votes fall out.

This is all very speculative. I’m not sure of much right now. If I come off as sure of a role, I’m not. Except me, but that does you all no good.

So what happened? I think this is an important question, because we should be asking “What did the town do to stop the kill and how did they do it?” It looks like we have a rolestopper, doctor, or similar character in Frank. If so, they had to guess who the mafia would target at night. Were there any likely targets? Prof. P. seems the most likely target for his Day One contributions, but that’s not a given. (While the narration may imply that Frank is a roleblocker, I don’t think the outcome supports that interpretation.) Still, this seems the most likely target for the scum, and the only easy guess for a doctor/rolestopper. If the scum didn’t try to kill Prof. P., were there any other people likely to be targeted for both a night kill and protection?

With that highly speculative interpretation, I think Prof. P. is town. I’ll be rereading things with this perspective to be sure it makes sense, but it seems reasonable.

Mosier is the elephant in the room. I said on Day One I was suspicious to the point of voting for him. My suspicion has eased a little. I’ll not lie and say that his snuggling up to me isn’t a factor, because it is. It’s wholly possible that is scenario 2 from his post 293 (scum to townie snuggling). I’m sure that it’s either scenario 2 or 3, but the rest of you can’t take that for granted. Mosier is on my list for vaguely but not overtly scummy things like leaving the vote on Suburban Plankton, but suspicions are easing.

Let’s talk about me for a minute. I was of the controversial opinion that a Day One no-lynch was better than a Day One lynch on flimsy information and made a late change of vote based on that. I certainly didn’t think that would be interpreted as a townie move (except by Mosier since he was the target). I figured it would come off as scummy to avoid a lynch, but took commentary indicating people spent too much time fretting about looking scummy to heart and went with what I think was a better strategic move for town at the risk of looking bad. I’m glad it’s being interpreted as townie, but I didn’t expect that reaction from WF Tomba, so thanks, Tomba. Love Canal is in the past, but you’re coming on to me way too strong. You can’t discount that I’m scum looking to look town by avoiding a lynch to look scum. The Mosier and me both scum seems farfetched even from your position, so there’s that. One other takeaway I had from the commentary thread for the previous game is that scum tends to think in straight forward ways while town thinks they’re operating wheels within wheels. A “both scum” scenario is pretty wheely since it would require me joining a lynch I didn’t want to happen, then bailing for reasons that had been set up early in the day, well ahead of a potential lynch of Mosier. I’ll leave it to you all to assess my scummyness, but I want to get that information into the discussion.

Mosier is absolutely right about one thing, though. We should also be looking at vote order for Day One. (Hasty summary here. Please check this for errors.) They came onto Mosier in the order of **Suburban Plankton, Prof P., Plum, Hooker, Astral ** then I unvoted. Vote 1 is a throwaway and not very indicative of much. It could be scum running way ahead trying to get a bandwagon started, but that seems like a long shot. Vote 2 is only slightly more suspicious since 6 are required for a lynch. Prof P was #2 on me early in the day for flimsy reasons and was unthreatening from my position, so I don’t put much weight vote #2 here as well as scummy. Leaving a vote there indicates either a real suspicion or attempt at mis-lynch. With votes 3-5, scummyness increases, especially as things get later in the day, as there are 2 or 3 scum and this is increasingly likely to be an attempt to mis-lynch (if Mosier is town). To be fair to Astral, he had an early vote there, unvoted it, then put it back on late. On a side note, Plankton voting Mosier in post 108 and 124 threw off my vote counting initially. Let’s try and avoid double voting.

Astral and Mosier seem to be having at it. As I said discussing Mosier, I’m not sold on his townieness, but I’m not getting strong scum pinging either. I don’t have the time to get into this discussion until evening, but I’ll be watching this play out today before casting my vote.

Off to work. I’ll follow along on breaks and post again after work.

Well, maybe I was wrong about Mosier claiming a power role after all. We’ll each just have to make up our minds about that. But part of the reason it seemed so obvious to me is that I knew from the story that some Townie used a power last Night, and it worked. Therefore that Townie knows something important: either the identity of Karl or the identity of the Nightkill target. And it would behoove that Townie to communicate said knowledge to the rest of us, in some way, as soon as possible.

Well, as Hooker said, I was the most likely target, and probably Astral after me, given his propensity for accusations and frequent postings. So, thanks Frank, wherever you are.

A quick peak at the “Who’s Lurking” list shows the ailing Mahaloth on the bottom, with Plankton next, then Sangfroid. Plankton’s lurking troubles me most of these.

I say lynch the lurker. Wait. Don’t.

It’s lynch the lurker who cannot account for his lurking.

At this point I think we need to assume there are three scum. If we’re wrong, then we benefit. If we’re right, then we’re as prepared as we can be.

Plum’s count is notably enlarged by his Night postings: his total daytime posts number only 15.

This approach seems reasonable and prudent. Assume 3, though 2 is possible.

Right now, I’m scrutinizing Mosier and Astral for the content of the posts, sangfroid for the lack of content of his posts, and Plum and Mahaloth the for the lack of posts.

Does anybody have an opinion as to who a doctor/rolestopper should protect at night?

Anyone but me.

I don’t have one at the moment. Maybe as the proceedings ensue.

Regarding **Astral **and Mosier, I’m not quite sure. As I said earlier, I feel more towny about Mosier after post 264. After reading the rest of the thread, I have the same feeling. Astral has been very aggressive. I can hardly fault him for that, I don’t have a lean yet. I’m curious about exactly why he changed his vote to sangfroid, considering he already had a case going with Mosier, but we’ll probably never know.

I agree **Sario **not voting, while still being fairly active is quite suspicious. I think I’ve said my piece regarding sangfroid.

I’m thinking we need to find ways to co-operate a bit. We have a much higher barrier of getting a lynch through now than in a usual game, with a pretty low roster. Or maybe I’m just more used to The Resistance.

This is true. Some of my night time posts I consider more or less on topic, but I haven’t been able to post as much as I would like. I try to give some responses when I do post, and I hope that comes through. If not, I’d like to know. I try to take some time each day to fire off a couple of posts, when I feel like I have something to add, but the time difference is quite noticable from my side in a game such as this.

But I’m free tonight and have little to do tomorrow!

Anyway, VOTE SARIO, for the weird discrepancy between posts and votes. I am open to change my vote, if anyone finds some convincing reason for me to do so. I’ll go back and read over Mahaloth’s history in the meantime.

After a little bit of research, I think we have a Doctor or a Rolestopper instead.

VOTE COUNT
Astral Rejection - 1 (Mosier)
Mahaloth - 1 (WF Tomba)
WF Tomba - 1 (Mahaloth)
Sario - 1 (Plumpudding)

At this point we are 14 hours away from the lynching. If we’re going to lynch someone, we need to decide on who that should be. It’s complicated by the fact that we are 7 town, and need 6 to vote to lynch, so it would seem that scum can fairly easily throw it into a mislynch.

I don’t see anyone whose obviously scum.

…or we can not lynch again, and hope our power roles can save us again.

I noticed that in the opening narrative, McClane referred to himself as “Detective McClane”. He was not a Detective in the original movie. According to IMDb, the character was an Officer in the first movie and a Lieutenant in the second.

Is that a clue that we have a Detective?

Mahaloth, do you have an idea of for how long your work might continue to block SDMB? Do you know if it is temporary or not? Have you talked to the it guy? Can you somehow upgrade your cell-phone subscription or charge it with a voucer/online?

I think what people find suspicious is that you seldom share much your convoluted thinking.

The last game had us all banging our collective heads against eachothers. They usually do, and we want to try to get a good outcome out of that. To do that we need to share our thoughts. Instead of just “checking in” or asking for advice.

I bet you have something interesting thoughts about this game and I’d really like to hear them.

No, it’s not an implication that whomever is McClane has a detective ability.

Basically I took the overall character of John McClane and based the game after the first film. How long after is left ambiguous. As the movies progressed, he did reach the Detective rank, starting as a Lieutenant in the first film.