Is the roleblocker usually a scum or town role? I assume town, right?
Well, nobody died at night. That would have to be town.
Alignment is indicated by the font color of the name in the story. Blue = Town.
Thanks, I guess that makes sense. By the way, my internet is still filtering this site at work. I could attempt to post during my commute(I only have a 10 minute commute as is), but I my data plan on my phone is super expensive, so I think I’ll have to wait until I am at home.
I’ll be catching up as things catch my eye, so these will all be one-topic posts. First, to Mosier. Let’s get accusin’!
I bristle when I see someone describe an event with the caveat that there is no reason for scum to do something. If Hooker had an honest change of heart, maybe that points to town. If Hooker saw that it was unlikely you were getting lynched with 50 minutes to go, maybe he thought he could “look townie” by helping a no-lynch happen. He even says, as he unvotes you, that you’re:
And switches to his #2 target. That would point to an opportunistic scum, maybe, and I’m surprised this doesn’t give you even a tiny bit of pause. Or maybe you’re both scum, and he saw that he could reasonable help save you. I’m having trouble believing this post comes from an honest townie perspective, because you should realistically be suspicious of everything the rest of us do. “Townie snuggling” is a commonly-bandied-about phrase for a reason. I know it gets my hackles up when people uncharacteristically leap to my defense in games. 
This next bit is more generally about the game, not you, because you’re absolutely right: if you flip town after a lynch/night kill, we can consider where that leaves HookerChemical. However, and this ties into your later complaint about me, we currently don’t know. I’m aware you don’t like when I say we’re trading bodies for information, but I hope you can admit that pragmatically, I’m right. Consider this hypothetical:
• I believe [player X] is the mayor of scumsville, because they chose not to vote for Mosier yesterDay. “Ah ha,” I exclaim to myself. “Caught you protecting your scummy buddy, scummer! Hey everybody, we should vote for [player X], and if they’re scum, we’ll get scum Mosier too!”
Only that’s an entirely backwards way of making a case. It hinges on the precondition that Mosier is scum, which I only suspect. If [player X] is lynched and revealed as town, I cannot draw further conclusions about Mosier. [Player X] must have honestly felt Mosier was a bad lynch, and didn’t vote/hopped off. But Mosier could still be scum. Or he could be town, and I was wrong all along! The order of votes absolutely does matter, just like you say, in figuring out who might be honest townies and who might be scum baddies, but we lack the information to decisively pick what the order means until we have a concrete piece of evidence - a body - to use. I really wanted a lynch to happen, because lynches are pivotal in cutting through the chatter and giving us concrete evidence to suss out the scum.
Don’t you say, just a sentence later, that there are only two scum? We had six people choose not to vote for you by the end of the Day, and it doesn’t surprise me at all that scum proved unable to overcome those odds. And, while it makes sense for you to not mention this possibility, it could point that you, yourself, are scum.
Onward! Also, I suspect it’s gonna take me forever to work through this, because I have a cat as of two hours ago, and this thing is demanding all of the attention!
Astral … I’m 100% sure that Mosier is making a thinly veiled claim to a Town power role. Remember, Dante says he doesn’t like outright claiming unless it’s a last-ditch effort to save oneself. We should expect to see players making thinly veiled claims like this one.
ETA: The fact that you didn’t pick that up makes me think you are Town.
I’m back. I’m going through the posts after the night result and I’ll have plenty to say in the morning, but I’m curious why people are speculating that Frank is a roleblocker and not a doctor?
He might be a Doctor, but traditionally the Roleblocker is interpreted as a person who randomly “kidnaps” or otherwise occupies a character for the night. (On wiki.mafiascum.net they have a cartoon of a hooker holding a set of handcuffs.) It’s a good fit for the story.
I’m of two minds about this. With the “no accusations” rule, I felt leery of making much conversation at all, because I don’t want to, even inadvertently, run afoul of that request from Dante. I’m not interested in trying to “game” the rule and skirt as close as I can, because that’s not within the spirit of the game.
Plus, it gives scum more fodder for who to kill, and I’d hate to obliquely make reference to something, and then end up dead before I can explain myself.
Also, I just don’t think future nights will be as long.
Oh jeez, I see it now. He even highlighted it in bold, and underline, and italics. I blame the new cat.
VOTE COUNT
Astral Rejection - 1 (Mosier)
6 votes required for a lynch. Day 2 ends on Thursday at 2PM EDT.
Holy smokin’ Action Hero, Batman!
Dang if us here good folks at the SD ain’t frikkin’ anal sometimes. Maybe we should just call it the Sphincter Dope Message Board and be done with it…
Look. Here’s what I see from my perspective (generally speaking):
Lynch the Lurker (not enough posts, which is often pointed out and I did learn last game here that this can bite you)
Lynch the Loud (too many posts, Oh look at me! I post so much I can’t be bad)
Lynch the One Who Votes too Quick
Lynch the One Who Doesn’t Vote at all
Lynch the One Who Pretends to Claim…
Lynch the One Who doesn’t Claim…
Damn, I just love the absurdity of this type of online interaction!
This is pretty much the reason I started in with the whole “Death Wish” thing last game, out of sheer frustration. I get that we don’t know jack - in the beginning, an important clarifier - but blasting at each other mindlessly in shotgun fashion just doesn’t do it for me.
Sorry, I guess. The default would seem to be to pick a lurker and lynch. I’m fine with that even if I don’t agree with it, or even if it’s me. That, or attack the attacker.
I do have my own suspicions, and am trying to explain them best as I can. For example, Mosier attracted a lot of attention early. I wasn’t convinced of scumminess then, hence the no-vote. Still aren’t convinced, really, but I’ll leave that part to the ones who did vote Mosier to clarify for me.
Before I even move on to a solid vote, which is clearly a must this round, I’d like to hear why the players who voted Mosier did so, under the known conditions.
There are 4 possible combinations of alignment for me and Hooker.
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We are both scum - not completely absurd, I guess, but it would be very poor play. If Hooker or I ever flip scum, there would be a huge suspicion on the other one.)
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I am scum, and he is town - also not completely absurd. I haven’t heard the phrase townie snuggling before, but it makes sense. I kind of suspect some people might see my last post this way. It’s pretty much the main reason I made the post, to be honest, so that if/when I get lynched or killed it at least does some good (see option 4)
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We are both town - I know this to be true (again, see option 4) but the rest of you can’t just take my word for it. I understand this. But, I can only vote with the info that I have, and based on that I’ll never vote for Hooker, and I’ll probably keep voting you until one of us dies.
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I am town, and he is scum -* this is completely absurd*. Hooker was positioned perfectly on the vote. Not too early, not too late, not too confrontational, and with no reason to suspect him more than any of the other voters. He would have KNOWN I’m town in this case, and was very close to getting a free town lynch with no real blood on his hands. There’s absolutely no reason for him to change his vote at the last minute in this case. Scum would have been better off in every way if I had been lynched, and he was the only one who did something to prevent it. Again, this is all based on info (that I’m town) that I know to be true, but the rest of the town must choose to accept or reject.
Weasel words. Say it outright and don’t dance around it. If I flip town, you’ll know for a goddamn fact Hooker is town.
You can give it a shot, but only a couple of townies were on board for my lynching yesterday. You’ve got too many victims to choose from if you want to lynch someone for not voting me.
Oh, you weren’t serious. 
Sorry!
I really don’t think you do.
FYI, the whole point I was trying to make is that I believe there are only 2 scum because they couldn’t steamroll a lynch. The third scum would have cast the last vote to lynch me.
I think there are two scum, and you are almost certainly one of them. There are lots of small tells, like your faulty math analysis. You insisted there were 3 scum, and yet also insisted a day 1 lynch was better than a no lynch even after it was explained to you exactly why this would make us lose faster if the game were in fact 7:3 like you claimed to think. Also, you spent most of your post space essentially saying “gee, if you look at it a certain way, Mosier’s totally innocent posts kind of look suspicious” over and over and over with absolutely nothing substantial to say about it, while at the same time pouring on the innocent sauce with stuff like “Mosier’s barely above a coin flip chance for me” and “I* totally* support lynching the lurkers” without actually making any anti-lurker arguments. You were the driving force in keeping all the conversation on me in particular, while simultaneously trying to claim you just wanted a body, any body would do.
You wanted me dead yesterday, and you didn’t want to look bloody doing it. You’re scum! It would take some serious evidence to convince me otherwise, and to be fair I can’t imagine what that evidence would look like. Unless such evidence actually shows up, I’m voting you until I’m dead.
I feel like I’m playing bizarro Mafia, because you and I disagree on such a fundamental level on how to play this game. I’ve never had to argue for the actual existence of the lynch before, so at least this is a new experience. 
I strongly believe that refusing to lynch is anti-town and pro-scum, and I don’t understand how anyone sees it differently. Town will be trapped in an endless cycle of Day 1 reads, hints, gut tells, guesses, and accusations until a lynch happens. This is not good for catching scum and it’s not good for player participation. Also, with a skipped lynch, scum has N+1 bodies to hide amongst, giving them a mathematical edge on future lynches.
They have this edge with a no-lynch D1 because you’re wrong about another thing: we don’t lose “faster” by lynching D1. On both a lynch D1 and a no-lynch Day 1, we are at lynch-or-lose on D3 in a worst-case scenario. With a lynch, we enter D2 with 8 players left alive. With no lynch, we enter D2 with 9 players, and scum have one more body to hide amongst. Even the no-lynch D1 scenario results in lynch-or-lose on D3, when, assuming worst-case, we enter D3 with 7 players alive (4 town, 3 scum), mislynch, and lose. If there are 2 scum, D4 is lynch-or-lose either way (enter D4 with 5 players (3 town, 2 scum), mislynch loses).
We definitely lose slower if we skip all the lynches, though. Would you prefer that? Because, eventually, we need to lynch people to win the game.
You also think I’m scum because I’m insisting (nice word choice :)) that there are three scum. Who cares? If I’m wrong, the game ends earlier than I expected, and we can all be pleasantly surprised. I’ve never played in a game that deviates from the 1/4th rule or the square root rule, and it changes nothing in our play style if we believe there are two, or three scum.
You also accuse me of “spending a lot of time saying Mosier’s innocent townie posts might be suspicious.” That was the point of my post, and you even noticed this when you say “oh, you weren’t serious.” I was pointing out how important a lynch is in building further cases, and how not having one hampers future case making, because we don’t know about you.
This seems obvious to me… what am I missing here? The rest of your case is similarly troublesome (you describe “you’re absolutely right” as weasel words when it was clear I was writing the way I was to make a larger point, you see that point, and then don’t see that point, within sentences of each other), but there’s no use going back and forth about it. I have a feeling your vote ultimately boils down to OMGUS, and the rest of this is window dressing. Let me know if I’ve skipped a particularly key point, and I’d be happy to address it.
I had a 3/9 or 2/9 chance of catching scum with my D1 vote, so pragmatically, I can admit that of course you might be town. But this goes for every single person I could have voted for, and it feels like you’re taking it personally that I selected you. I had an early read on you, and ultimately decided you were our best shot for the lynch.
WF Tomba thinks you’re claiming a power, and I can see where that’s coming from too. Otherwise, I’d vote for your logic and casemaking here, and I’m still kinda hopeful you get counter claimed down the road, so I can feel vindicated in my suspicion.
Going back to the basics here, and with a nod of apology to Tomba:
VOTE MAHALOTH
Since he’s the biggest lurker and didn’t sign on from home, as far as I see.
I’m sick with bronchitis and am off work. In case anyone is wondering how I can magically post during the day on a work day.
We lynch someone instead of handing scum back a lovely no-kill
Yeah, it sucks that I’m limited. I’ve been lynched on giraffeboards twice in one game for my limited playing. (I subbed once and was lynched again). I may be one of the few to die on my first Day twice in one game. If you care, I was Town both times in that game.
Huh, I’m not sure I read that until now. It’s just a stopper of roles.
…and there he is.
UNVOTE MAHALOTH
“I always play this way” is an infuriatingly bad excuse. If you always lurk, then we’re always better off without you.
VOTE MAHALOTH
Like a knife through my heart.
VOTE WF TOMBA
Good Morning, players!!
VOTE COUNT
Astral Rejection - 1 (Mosier)
Mahaloth - 1 (WF Tomba)
WF Tomba - 1 (Mahaloth)
6 votes required for a lynch. Day 2 ends on Thursday at 2PM EDT.