Yep…I mean he had his ninja suit. I was just saying to my wife, “Uh, didn’t season 1 already do this thing where he isn’t fully Daredevil?”
I really enjoyed this episode. Having Fisk sit through the children’s choir I already thought was gold, then reprising the song in a Latvian version? Brilliant. Also the scene with Frank Castle and Matt, felt like real character development.
What I’m not so hot on is the ‘the hero is a reflection of the villain’ thing they’re setting up with Fisk and Matt, especially with the final split scene between the two (although it did a really good job at building up the menace of Fisk’s character, showing he’s not diminished by the couples therapy and having to sit through cringeworthy singing performances). It’s overplayed, and naive—the world isn’t just a one-dimensional continuum strung along a horseshoe whose ends almost meet, it’s more complicated than that, and for the most part, the show seems to understand this, with the ambiguities around the vigilantes, but then they still do the sort of Batman/Joker thing where they’re perennially at odds, yet can’t exist without one another.
Didn’t realize we were getting two episodes this week. Bank episode was good. Loved the Jersey City shout out!
Looks like Matt’s skills are a little rusty. A single guy would never have given him that much trouble before, unless it was like a badass ninja or something.
I’ve been viewing it in a different way - you can’t fight your true nature. Kingpin is trying so, so, so very hard to be a good guy and follow the rules, to try and help people. But its not working for him because his true character is to carry an axe and beat the hell out of people. Daredevil is trying to be normal, follow the rules, and work in the system to get things done. But its not working for him, because his true character is to mete out justice and help people as he sees fit.
What’s the famous quote? Something like - man is a part of nature, and a man’s war against their nature is inevitably a war against himself.
Oh wow, did I love the bank episode. My favorite DD episode ever, perhaps. It just worked pacing-wise. It was one inclusive story, but didn’t feel like it wasn’t part of the greater arc.
Unlike the Netflix episodes (or most Netflix shows for that matter), this has been good about making the episodes feel like episodes (i.e. stories that have a beginning, middle and an end).
Who the hell is Adam? Was he somewhere in the first three seasons and I’ve forgotten him or was he an addition to this series?
During the time after the first series, after Fisk left, his wife found comfort in another man. They talked about it in one of the earlier episodes of this run.
That I knew. I was just wondering if Adam either appeared in the original series or in one of the Marvel series I haven’t watched.
So far as I’m aware, he’s an invention for this specific show, and the events between him and Vanessa happened off-camera, between the Netflix show ending and this one starting.
It was definitely a blink and you will miss it reference in their dinner conversation. I seem to recall that she mentioned no knowing Adam’s whereabouts.
In the first episode Fisk tells her “I know about Adam”. Then they had the conversation about why him in which she describes I think his hands lovingly, then with the therapist when they both deny knowing where he is. Apart from his torture scenes that is all.
She certainly knows how to manipulate Fisk. She’s up there with Kathie Moffet, Phyllis Dietrichson, Cora Smith, and dare I say it, Ilsa Lund.
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I should have liked this week’s more than I did. The stuff with Muse felt rushed. Here’s his entire backstory. Oops he’s dead.
I am curious about the ending. Who exactly was Vanessa setting up with her text? Did it work as planned or does she have an interesting conversation coming up with her Husband?
Also interested in where the story of Mini Tony Soprano and BB goes.
She was setting up Luca, the Tracksuit Mafia guy who doesn’t know how to play nice with others. She let him believe she was into his plan to take out Fisk but she’s still unquestionably loyal to Fisk even if they don’t snuggle as much as they used to. Based on Fisk asking Buck if Vanessa wanted any takeout from the restaurant, I interpret this as Fisk being fully in on the plan. Having said that, it was a bold assumption of Fisk to assume that Luca would come in and attempt to shoot him in the back of the head instead of throwing a grenade in or something.
I’m not sure if Junior ran this one by Fisk or not so it will be fun to see how this unfolds. And when things inevitable go south for Junior, does he end up like Vic on The Penguin?
I thought it was silly that he came alone, doesn’t he have a gang?
I thought it was possible she wanted Luca to actually kill Fisk but he somehow found out and turned the tables.
Yep. This was my interpretation, also. Vanessa turned on Fisk, but Fisk knew.
I’m also happy with the Vanessa-working-with-Fisk interpretation. But I like the first one better.
It’s the “he’s alone” that is giving me pause. She would know Buck is always around and she had no reason to think he wouldn’t be there.