Dating advice sought

The situation in a (simplified) nutshell:

I meet a girl – let’s call her M – online; we trade interesting, articulate, lengthy e-mails over a couple of weeks before deciding to get together for dinner.

Dinner is awesome. Easily one of the best first dates I’ve ever had. Lots of chemistry, great banter, comfortable dynamic, similar dispositions and senses of humor…it lasts around five and a half hours, all told. She seems to enjoy it as much as I do.

We e-mail back and forth again over the next week before agreeing to meet up for brunch that Sunday (a week and a half ago, I guess). Second date is even better than the first. After brunch, we hang out at my apartment for a bit, then go play Scrabble at a local bar. While we’re at my apartment (just drinking and chatting), she tells me that she likes me enough that she wants to make sure we take things a little slowly, so she’s comfortable with the pace. She says she knows herself, and that when she rushes into something, it has less of a chance of working out. This makes sense to me, somewhat vaguely couched though it is, and I’m happy to oblige. Mostly because I think she’s awesome and I feel like we’ve got the kind of connection that doesn’t come along very often.

During Scrabble, she spontaneously invites me to join her at her good friend’s house that evening for dinner and to watch the Golden Globes. (I’m pretty sure she surprised herself when she extended the invitation.) I accept, because I’m having a blast, and after another game of Scrabble at my place, we head over. Dinner is fun, her friend and her friend’s boyfriend are great and apparently like me a lot, everyone has a good time. Ten hours or so after we meet for brunch, we call it a night and M drops me off at home.

As we’re driving back, I ask her what her plans are over the next week, and she says that the only day she’d be free to get together would be that Tuesday – so, two days later. (As an aside, and not super-important to the story, but: I’m about 85 percent sure, for various reasons, that she wasn’t/isn’t actively seeing anyone else. At least at that point.) I tell her I can do Tuesday if she wants to, and immediately caveat that, as a boy, I can’t be depended upon to know what “taking it slow” means in practice, so I’m relying on her to tell me if the pace doesn’t work for her. She agrees; it’s copacetic. Great couple of dates.

The next day (Monday the 12th) she sends me an incredibly sweet and – as far as I’m concerned – genuine e-mail telling me that she’s thought about it and decided that it probably isn’t a good idea in the long run for us to see each other again so soon. She reiterates how much she likes me, tells me she wants to make sure we have a good shot at turning this into something, says she hopes her e-mail doesn’t make me run for the hills (and is overtly self-conscious about saying something like that after only two dates), and suggests that we plan our third date after she’s figured out her schedule following inauguration weekend. Uncharacteristically for me, I view this e-mail with optimism, take it (I hope) as intended, and respond in an agreeable and understanding way while underscoring that we’re on the same page, that I like her a whole lot, and that I (like her) think there’s potential here that’s worth exploring. Around this point we also start a Scrabble game online.

She sends a brief and appreciative email on Tuesday, I respond on Wednesday, she e-mails on Thursday night, and I e-mail back late Friday evening after a particularly long day at work. She makes her move in our Scrabble game Saturday morning, and that…is the last I’ve heard from her. At least via Scrabble or e-mail.

Saturday, Sunday, Monday, we don’t talk. Yesterday afternoon, knowing that she had a ticket to Obama’s swearing-in, I send her a super-brief text message expressing my general amazement about the inauguration. A few hours later, she sends a couple of perfectly friendly (and perfectly punctuated) sentences. She also makes a joke. I reply via text with a comment and joke of my own.

…And that’s it. No further e-mail or text. And as optimistic as I was about this last week, considering the excellent dates and the seeming mutual interest, tomorrow it’ll be six days since the last e-mail between us, by far the longest stretch we’ve had since starting to talk at the end of December. I can’t help but be a little baffled by the silence, and it’s starting to make me wonder if something important got derailed somewhere along the line in the past week, or even if I’d severely misjudged her level of interest to begin with.

So, I guess my question is this: At what point would it be appropriate for me to write again, assuming I don’t hear from her? And when I do, what sort of thing should I say? If possible, I’d like to rekindle the momentum (I love mixing metaphors) to the extent necessary, or at least find out what’s up, but I’d also prefer not to run the risk of alienating her or striking the wrong note. Any plausible explanations for the recent lack of communication, given the facts laid out above, would also be welcomed.

This sort of sucks a lot. My optimism is still here, albeit a bit battered, but if it turns out that she’s no longer interested, I’m going to be at a bit of a loss as to what might have gone wrong.

She’s probably wondering why you haven’t emailed and posting many paragraphs on her message board about what you might mean by that. Just email her fer cryin’ out loud – it’s not a prisoner exchange where you have to do everything tit-for-tat. Or call her? Don’t people call anymore? :slight_smile: At six days silence you have sufficiently established your masculine aloofness and non-neediness.

Color me confused, but why is your optimism battered?

She told you that she would be busy all of last week except Tuesday. That means, at least to me, all week including the weekend.

Then she goes to the inauguration. That’s an all-day kind of thing, and probably well into the evening with some kind of party/get-together. Busy all day.

It seems, from what you’ve written, that you may have different expectations as far as communication. Daily communication with someone you’ve dated only twice seems a little much to me. No communication Saturday, Sunday, or Monday. You texted yesterday. Just send her a casual email asking how things went Tuesday. I wouldn’t bring anything up about your anxiety regarding this because that seems a bit odd this far into it IMHO.

The ball is in her court now. You sent the last email… Don’t be pathetic! wink. It will seem desparate.

If it goes nowhere, my belief is that it’s not you and that she’s got some issues at hand… Maybe a relationship that’s recently over but not really closed, too soon after a relationship, fear of relationships. Let HER wonder for now. Unfortunately, relationships involve some game play and strategy.

As a couple of people have said – she said she was busy last week, and she said she’d be going to the Inauguration. Since she’s responding in a friendly (and well-punctuated) fashion to your messages, however briefly, I don’t think she’s necessarily blowing you off.

I’d email her – or call her – saying “Hope the smoke is clearing from your busy period – would love to get together soon. Since it’s Thursday already, I won’t dare hope you’re available this weekend – but how about a quick dinner after work sometime early next week?”

If she completely blows you off then, you have a problem. Anything less than a complete blow-off, she’s just showing you what she means by taking it slow.

I like this. It’s mildly aggressive and still shows your interest, but not at all clingy or needy. Personally, I’d call, because talking is a bit more intimate than email (and can lead to a deeper conversation). Plus, if you email and she doesn’t respond, you’re left with the “did she even get it/read it?” question.

If a guy said this to me I’d assume

a) He was juggling me with other people

b) He wasn’t over his last relationship

Or both.

Either way, I’d be a little taken aback by having an incipient relationship neuroticised and emo-talked the second time I meet someone and before I even stick my tongue down his throat. It’s a little bit too dramatic for my tastes.

Also, if someone tells me that they want to “take it slow,” I feel like they’re basically informing me that the relationship progresses at the pace and on the schedule THEY’RE personally comfortable with. That’s fine and all, but then I’d rather they make all the effort to maintain that pace and schedule rather than having me trying to figure out what it is. When someone states their preference, responsibility shifts.

My reaction would be to a) reign in my feelings and b) wait and see if the person turns out to be for real c) go on with my life and meet other people in spite of my crush.

If the other person really likes you and sees you preparing to pull back and move on with your life and give them the space they say they really needed, it will generally goad them into a little bit of action to stake out some sort of claim. If not, they’re basically telling you they’re really not that into you.

I see this sentiment a lot, and I strongly disagree with it. There are really only three likely situations:

  1. She likes you, and has been a bit busy. You contact her. She would welcome the contact.
  2. She doesn’t like you, and has intentionally stopped contacting you. At that point, who cares if she thinks you’re pathetic and desperate?
  3. You don’t contact her. For the rest of your life you’re wondering if it was (1) or (2) above, making you feel pathetic and desperate.

As an aside, HolyFreakingMoly, I’ve seen a few of your posts so far. Welcome to the Dope; you seem pretty cool, I hope you stick around.

Pretty much this.

If she was really into you days would not go by without a meaningful response of some kind. A pre-emptive “take it slow” speech that didn’t come as the aftermath of impulsive hot monkey sex or a similar scenario means she’s not really sure she’s all that physically or emotionally attracted to you even though you seem perfectly pleasant and well spoken.

You seem to have your hopes way up. If I were you I’d dial it back a few notches.

With respect, I don’t buy it. I’m comfortable with my judgment about everything that happened through Sunday, and I’m 85% sure that the Monday e-mail was genuinely meant exactly as written as well.

Anyway, upon reflection, I regret starting this thread, so I’ve asked that it be closed. Hopefully it will be soon.

Wait… if this is closed, how am I supposed to find out what happens??? :confused:

You’ve had 2 dates so far… tell her you don’t believe in the third date rule (unless you do).

You are overthinking. Send her an email or a text or whatever and get another date happening. The worst case is that you need things to move faster than she does and things fall apart. There are worse things.

The take it slow speech is, for me, a minor red flag, but has nothing to do with her feelings towards you and everthing to do with her own ability to handle a relationship. That is to say, if things don’t work out because you weren’t able to go slow enough, then they never were going to work out. So don’t worry about it too much and just ask her out again.

Yeah, if she specifically mentioned taking it slow (which, IME, is not a red flag) she may fear that you’ll ‘expect’ something on the third date or simply lose interest. it has been known to happen. I’m not sure how bringing up this unwritten ‘rule’ would go down, though. Depends on her sense of humor.

Really? 'Cause in my limited and faltering efforts to date in the last few years, it seems that all communications have followed approximately the same lines of progress as the Oslo Accords, and with about as much contention. I’m not clear why it is so hard to get a woman to agree to meet for a cup of tea or a beer, but the whole interrogation and negotiation process bears more resemblance to a Special Access clearance interview than arrangements for a casual social engagement.

Stranger

Send her another email and see if she wants to get together again.

IME when I told a guy I was dating that I wanted to take it slow that translated to, “I like you but I don’t know exactly how much I like you so I don’t want to screw up my perceptions by sleeping with you now, making me much more likely to think that I am way more into you than I actually am.” Other women mean completely different things when they say they want to take it slow so I can’t speak for your lady friend but emailing her again just to see when she might be available to join you on a third date can’t hurt.

There’s no ball, there’s no court. It’s a mostly-online friendship with a lady you like and admire. Email her and ask how the inauguration went, and ask to meet so she can tell you about it.

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It’s not hard … if she wants to. Women are just people and when someone starts getting days of non-communication because someone is “busy” that’s a pretty clear signal as to where you stand. IMO when people are sincerely interested in each other there is rarely a lapse of “days” in communication. It takes a minute to fire off a text or email.

Holy crap, this sounds exactly like someone I dated who had the first initial “M.” I mean, like, precisely, except I don’t play Scrabble, and we went out for like two months.

When I finally got tired of playing “is now the right time to send an email and expect a response,” my life got so much less complicated. My view is, there’s only so much effort you should put into someone who seems determined to keep her distance.

Send one more email, just in case. Right after you send the email, head out to a bar and chat up the first cute chick with brains that you find.

Or maybe do that in reverse order.

If you don’t hear back in 48 hours, forget about her.