I didn’t, and have no intention of - this was mostly to get what I wanted to say but didn’t out of my system. I’ve myself worked a fairly crap job in which other people even indirectly took out their frustration on The Man by screwing with what I would eventually deal with; I can imagine how bad it must be to do so over the phone. I take the same approach to them as I do with the charities that call me asking for money: I will make it clear that I’m not interested, but also try to remember that it’s some low-paid human on the other end of the line.
I probably will call on Monday morning, though, and ask whoever’s in charge to take me off their list.
Ten people? We had to make 300 calls a day and I got it from at least half of 'em…when they answered the phone. Fuck that job.
Schwartz, you forgot the part where the station commander tells Sergeant highspeed he’s a shitbag and then makes him go to “low producer training”. For us that was making us driuve to another station that was miles away, sometimes almost a 2 hour drive to get yelled at by other station commanders and it was ALWAYS at a crappy time…like 10 at night…and they made sure not to release you until like 830 so you’d be late and get yelled at more. Or the good ol’ extension of work hours…instead of 8 to about 9 or ten, it was 6am til midnight.
Yeah, they really did that. That was one of the tricks they used to make you a “better recruiter”. What happened is it just me angry and bitter. (I wasn’t the only one…) Trust me. I’m leaving stuff out. I hope your in a better station and battalion than I was.
Ninjachick, thank you for not going ballistic on the recruiter. Call the station commander and if that doesn’t help, move up the chain. (of command)
Yeah, my first Station Commander was a dick. He was acting Station Commander for about six months before we finally got one in. She is great. Do what you need to do, ask her for anything and she will help. Same all the way up the chain. My time on the New Recruiter Program was a living hell however. I was not allowed to contact anyone for help, because I was told that anyone who came to the station to train or help me would “dig in my shit,” and any unaccounted for minute would “get me hemmed the fuck up.”
I still work with this dick, but not for him. At least now I can tell him to fuck off.
I live in New York State. There are laws against it.
Inform Sgt. Penis that you are filing charges against him and his little recruiting station with the NYS Attorney General. ( Or, whatever state Atty General applies ) That person can be found in your phone book.
You’re a citizen? Make use of your rights. File a formal complaint request that charges be filed against Sgt. Penis.
As an American citizen, you actually have a right NOT to give one flying fuck about whether or not they make their recruiting goals.
Whatever gets you off, fucko. As the OP noted, she requested information about financial aid opportunities for college. She received three phone calls about financial aid for college in which she was not interested. How does that qualify as harassment?
I would really like to know what charges you feel this Recruiter should face for doing his job.
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SSG Schwartz
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Where the fuck does this even enter into the discussion? Really? Do you even care if the Army makes it goals, or are you just a fuckhead who hopes that we don’t? Of course, I give a flying fuck if you have a pulse tomorrow.
I have a serious question: does cold calling ever actually work? From my perspective, the military seems like something that someone either wants to do, or doesn’t, and they would have gone to you if they wanted in.
Oddly enough, I have wrote four contracts from cold calling. Granted the timing has to be right and you have to have something to support the cold call–hey, remember when I saw you at the football game–Also, as I said up thread, all I want is for people to make an informed decision. Many people are turned off of the Army because of what a friend or neighbor who was not qualified to join told the person.
Also,** RandMcnally**, many people have an image of the Army in their mind. They don’t really know about the jobs the Army offers, the benefits, the opportunities, etc. Many hear from those that have never been in, “bullet sponge,” and turn down all Army opportunities. All I have to do is seperate truth from fiction and let the person make his/her mind up.
It does, but the ratios of call to contract isn’t as good as face to face to contract, at least where I was. I think I might have enlisted less than ten people over cold calls. (I remember one guy, 'cuz when I introduced myself over the phone he said "Wow! I was just about to call you guys to see if I could come talk to you about being a ranger!") He was a good guy, too.
I think harrassment has to to have some kind of intent to harrass behind it. I know I used the word in my posts but I meant in more of the way that **Ninjachick **feels about fielding the calls not in how they are being done. You must not have read what Schwartz and I wrote, because then you’d see the recruiter is not purposely harrassing her.
I don’t have my recruiting books at hand but the same laws that apply to telemarketers and all do not apply to military recruiters. It would be a waste of time to call the attorney, when a simple call to the station commander would solve the issue. They aren’t going to waste their time calling someone who isn’t going to join, Ninjachick just happens to have fallen in the category of *people who may join *and they need to update their records. If she requested information it put her in the category and thus the recruiters are merely doing their job.
I just want to know why the hell the Army is wasting their time recruiting you. While offers of loan repayment probably works wonders for recruiters for some schools, you’d think that the local recruiting office would have learned to disregard any info they got from SJC. I can’t imagine that the return rate is anywhere near worth it.
The college fund works for people who need to repay loans ( like I did) and for people lacking the money to go to college but want to.
You’re also thinking backwards. The local recruiting station does not set its own policy, that comes from the DoD and ultimately the federal gov’t. If it didn’t work they wouldn’t do it.
Well, then I’d like to ask how you know that for certain. You must be privvy to more information than I am, but I’ve admiited that I don’t involve myself with recruiting anymore. Its a shitty, thankless job.
Loan repayment is an option offered to every applicant, anyway. It doesn’t have to be something that appeals to everyone. It is not the only incentive offered for college minded applicants. If an applicant inquires about it, even in a place where it is not requested often they can still get it, just as Billy Bob in goat Fuck Farm /Country can get the college fund in his application contract, even if he has no plans to go to college at the moment and has never even seen a campus.
You know one myth that drove me nuts, Staff Sergeant? The myth that I get a bonus or something if you join. Enlisted active duty recruiters don’t get ***jack squat ***if they enlist a person. Maybe a day off…maybe. Thats it. More often than not they get marching orders to find another person.
I didn’t want a bonus for ewnlisting a person. Really all I wanted was to do my time in recruiting and get the flying fuck outta there.
You are equating the United States Army with JP Morgan/Chase Manhattan Bank. That is a stretch, to be kind about it. My son has student loans with JP Morgan/Chase, so I can say with utter confidence that the contracts and terms do indeed assist my son in paying for college. You know. Financial aid. However, nowhere in the contracts and other documents he and we signed does it say that before he gets a dime, he may or may not be sent home missing his left leg, right arm, right eye and orbital socket and most of his childhood and teenage memories. Also, the ability to uriniate when he wishes to.
I’m just saying. Calling the US Army nothing more than a " financial aid opportunity" is a painful stretch.
If I called someone’s home repeatedly after being told not to and accurately identified myself to them each time, I’d be expecting to hear from the law. No entity or person is entitled to endlessly harass a private individual in their own home. Military law does not extend into civilian life. OTOH, I suspect that if one is living in on-base housing and one’s tour and commitment to a branch of service is almost up, one should full well expect to have daily visits and phone calls in the effort to get them to re-up. That would be expected.
I graduated from that school around the time she started it. I knew every single person from my campus, and most of the ones from hers in that class. One guy went into the Marines, and he had intended on doing so from day one. It’s a very particular school, and the general student isn’t apt to join the military, no matter what a recruiter might say.
I didn’t intend that as a comment on recruiting generally, but as a specific rebuke to military recruiters in Santa Fe. My grandfather was an Air Force recruiter, and has a building named after him on Maxwell AFB, and I respect what recruiters have to go through. He understood the value of using time and money in an effective manner in the areas he was posted to, that’s all.
I did read the last few posts, including Jolly Roger’s. The Station Commander is the one cracking the whip to make sure that not only 75 % but 100% of people are contacted and there are quotas to meet. That’s not me making crap up. TELL ME there are no monthly, quarterly and yearly quotas.
Now, I will do something I never imagined I’d do. I will call a local US Army Recruiting Center in my county and ask for the Station Commander. I will ask what the proper procedure is for excessive phone calls to my residence. Will report back as to what he or she says.
Obviously I have a point of view here, but if I’m slammed down by the Station Commander and told that harassing and repeated calling is not permitted, I’ll report that here.
What a compelling argument. Rod Blagojevich selling a Senate seat is exactly like an Army recruiter calling your home. Thank you for clearing that up. I now argee with you 100%.