Yes, I suppose to a certain type “reasonableness” seems creepy.
Make up whatever quotes you want. I’m reporting it all to the “cabal”. :eek:
That was one fast weekend, btw.
I’m still dying to hear why you quoted that link as a comment on London_Calling.
More interesting words. A “cabal?” Of “race haters like december”…what race is that exactly, disaffected British loons? I figure the default view of the situation is one of nobody wishing death on others and wishing everyone to get along, which suits people of all political persuasions. But no, the jackasses carrying signs in London praise the intifada L_C. They’re having another rally on the 17th and it looks like the very same crowd…think they will still be supporting armed ‘resistance’? If so, why?
Just this afternoon in fact a new report popped up on the BBC news search: Hundreds of graves desecrated. In London of all places, quite a substantial crime I think…yet it relegated to the back pages apparently in favor of a more important lead story (as of this posting) : Gaza travel curbs condemned. Of course.
Color me confused as well. Jackmannii, I scanned(and used the find feature of my browser) each page of that thread and I couldn’t find a single post by London_Calling. Exactly how does that thread demonstrate his history of “spewing this bigotry”?
Enjoy,
Steven
I swear when I hovered my cursor, they all showed up the messiah dot thing.
well, now
One’s from TelAviv U, ones from Word of Messiah, one from another Zionist group, the CNN one is dated May 2 of this year and refers to a ‘wave of attacks in recent weeks’. (tho it added the number of 300 nationally since March).
So, as of May 2, you could make the claim, supported by some outside news source of some level of Anti Semetic behavior, but when you posted the intitial thread wherein you made the original claim, there was nothing but the focus groups reporting.
again - I am not claiming that reports from these other sources with an obvious bias/agenda cannot be factually true, but what I am claiming is that you need to bring forth the other factual support from groups/places other than those who have a specific idea in mind.
I am not claiming that there isn’t any Anti Semitism in France, Europe, Boston or whereever. I am suggesting that to assert that it’s rampant you need additional support.
Is 300 attacks in 3 months ‘rampant’? I don’t know, certainly it’d be better if it was much lower (no, I"m not saying that attacks are ok if there’s only a few, just that it wouldn’t necessarily be indicative of a ‘rampant’ problem).
the 300 figure translates to 1200 annually,
for the US, according to this there were a little over 8000 in 2000 but jumped seriously in 2001 to over 9000, of which 1828 (18.8%) were religious in nature (not certain which category Anti Jewish attacks would fall - racial or religious)
Now, according to this Anti Semitism has increased in the US as well since 9/11; (and it gives a number around 600 of Anti Jewish attacks, so the 300 in 4 months in France does equate to being a higher rate than the US for example).
When all of this was coming down in the original thread, ISTM that you admitted that you had relatives in France and were concerned about them (not claiming you shouldn’t be), right?
Though there does seem to be more attacks in France than the US, but perhaps the issue is you know of the concerns of your relatives, however you may not be living in an area of the US where attacks are more prevalent, so perhaps the growing Anti Semetism in the US is falling under your radar?
(I know I’m gonna hate myself in the morning for giving him another target)
Sorry folks, I inadvertently linked to one of the other examples of SDMB posters who have combined a fierce resentment of Israel with anti-Semitic attitudes.
Try this link instead.
Our boy called attention to his mental kinks with this allusion to what he thought would happen to U.S. politicians who were seen as not wholeheartedly supporting Israel:
*"The media in the US would be…interested in the subject. And may even form an opinion. Possibly one not wholly inconsistent with the views of their investors and owners. Would public opinion be influenced to side against that politician ?
Now there’s a question!"*
And it went downhill for LC from there, to the point where he staged another mad dash away for a weekend holiday, rather than stick around to defend his claims. 
So we have four people in just this thread who think attitudes like this smack of bigotry. Given this reaction, it might be cause for a wake-up call for LC that his opinions are not only counterproductive in the fight against ignorance, but are hateful as well.
Jackmanni, your thread shows nothing of bigotry by London_Calling. Nothing at all.
I look at the posts by you, December and Tee and I start to wonder just what actually is going on here. You accuse people who offer you no threat, insult or slight of being bigots and hate mongers. You are your own enemies, and you can’t see it.
Gary, please comment on this reference to LC:
…“the smear of “Jewish media control” is the stock in trade of tinfoil-hatted anti-Semitic bigots everywhere, and by parroting it continually, you’ve put yourself into their company.”
A cursory knowledge of the history of anti-Semitism would have made you aware of this. It’s on a par with suggesting that the “international Jewish bankers” have bought up U.S. politicians to control their votes on Israel. Or one of any number of classic slurs designed to instill fear, hatred and resentment of Jews.
If LC had come out with a specific example of, say, some Jewish newspaper owner in the U.S. canceling an editorial critical of Israel and used that as a springboard for his “thesis”, he would have had an argument on his hands but he wouldn’t have been immediately tagged with being an anti-Semite. Instead, he has stuck to his smarmy little insinuations.
Part of the ludicrous aspect is his evident blinding ignorance of the politics of the two newspapers he cites here (the Washington Post and the N.Y. Times, both somewhat left of center in American terms, which scarcely equates to a slavish adherence to Israel). The Times (which I read) is editorially critical of both Arafat and Sharon, and often harshly criticizes Israeli government policies. (in the news section, the paper once got into hot water for referring to terrorist bombers in a story as “martyrs”).
So much for some wizened, hook-nosed little old Jew on a throne somewhere in the newsroom, cracking his whip and forcing reporters and editors to write pieces favorable to Israel.
You might ask yourself why Jews have an immediate and visceral reaction to the sort of slime dripped by LC, and think long and hard about its implications.
You’ve got some learning to do, Gary.
Your figures show that France’s 500,000 Jews experienced twice as many antisemitic incidents as did the US’s 5 million Jews. One tenth as many Jews experienced twice as many incidents. Your figures imply that a Jew in France is twenty times as likely to be the target of antisemitism as is a Jew in the United States. That’s why Jewish organizations are so concerned about France right now.
I have a lot more Jewish relatives in the United States than I do in France. Actually, I have been concerned enough about anti-semitism on the San Francisco State campus that I wrote the University President. My letter concerned a situation where some Arabs attacked some Jews, and the University didn’t properly deal with the infraction.
I didn’t know december was Jewish until I read L_C’s comment about it here. That lends credence to the idea that I must be an idiot - perhaps it’s already common knowledge. Oh well.
But one or two of L_C’s previous comments in GD - from memory - involve him insisting that Bush needs the vote of the Jewish lobby in 2004 so he’s unlikely to do anything to piss them off. I found that really strange - how do you debate something like that. You don’t. It’s irrational.
So in this thread he starts out with december being a racist, a liar, and he ‘doesn’t see liberals defecating all over the board’, and the reason december isn’t banned is because the administration is skewed toward the conservative side particularly C K Dexter Haven’s position on Israel…interesting…and the crowning glory: he’s an “intellectual embarassment.” To the board. And undermines the excellent environment for everyone else…oh believe me, I had no idea. 
Just couldn’t pass up that chance I’m afraid.
Now I’m part of the cabal. :dubious:
Yes, now I see. There was always something rather…suspicious about Werewolf of London. Not quite the right sort, a bit shifty. A right wonker. Winker? Whatever. But now that its pointed out, it becomes clear. An anti-semite, of course, that’s it.
Turns out he’s a bigot! Well, I’ll be dipped in shit! I thought being born and raised in Texas I had some experience as regards bigots and anti-semites, but he got right past me, the crafty bloater. Blighter. Crafty blighter.
Never would have guessed it.
Hey I was thinking about you earlier. Remember during the war discussions you would say “I’ll support something…diddit diddit diddoo…but I’ll not be bullshitted into something…” How did that go, exactly.
I am reluctant to be led into war, but I’m god-damned if I’ll be bullshitted into it.
Ah. Thanks.
If you ever print that as a bumper sticker, I promise that I will put it on my car.
I will also get my deductible lowered and pay my premiums well in advance, but it will totally be worth it.
“I love compliments, we all do…humorists, burglars, Congressmen, all of us in the trade. But I was struck speechless by this complimentary thunderbolt! Never had I heard a compliment so beautifully phrased, or so richly deserved.”
- Mark Twain
All right, I will take your point on the second ad hominem remark, which was directed at the author of the article. So I apologize to Collounsbury for stating that he was being jerkish towards december in that instance. He was not - just to the author of the article.
I took the reference in his first remark to be aimed at december - because it wasn’t a refutation of the article, and since Collounsbury’s remark was followed shortly after by a Pitting aimed at december.
It seemed to me that Collounsbury was accusing december of being an “idjit” for posting the article. This impression was reinforced by Collounsbury’s later expressed desire to let the thread sink into obscurity, without discussion.
I regret any misunderstanding of the first remark. If that is what it was.
Regards,
Shodan
Apology accepted. I do think my board persona reflects my real-life persona pretty accurately, at least to the extent that board topics are the same as real-life issues I’m interested in.
But if it’s any comfort, sometimes I confuse the hell out of my family, too. I almost came to blows with Mom one Rosh Hashana, right after 9/11, when she asked me, basically, to explain why Muslim clergy hate Jews. I started by saying that lumping all Muslim clergy into one category was something like lumping our neighborhood Reform rabbi with Meir Kahane, and that’s about where she stopped listening. Thinmgs pretty much degenerated from there. When my boyfriend at the time saw the steam coming out of my ears, he decided it would be prudent to take me outside for a walk. I know it was an emotional time for everyone, but why bother asking me a question if you’ve already made up your mind about the answer?
Gary, I would like an answer.
It’s all a matter of perspective. If it’s funny, it’s a joke.