I think Red should attack Inner or Suburban.
Also, quite honestly: If the scums don’t murder me tonight, I’m going to wonder what in the blue skeezix they’re bleepin’ waiting for.
My power is a Night power, like most. I receive my results at Dawn. I tracked **Pizza **on Night 1, and expected results at Dawn of Day 2, but with the delay instead received the result at Dawn of Day 3.
The Scum kill is a Night action, which resolves at Dawn. So if it were delayed by the same power, I would expect the delayed result to also become apparent at Dawn, not at Dusk.
And besides, a delayed kill doesn’t make sense in this manner. My investigation result was delayed because I ‘forgot’, and then ‘remembered’ the following Night. But a killer couldn’t ‘forget’ he killed **LightFoot **and then ‘remember’ the next Day; either **LightFoot **has to be dead, or alive.
I think this makes much more sense as an ‘extra ability’ for a Scum leveling up. Hopefully, it was just a one-time shot.
Do you honestly think he’s town anymore?
Yes, I would suggest it’s 50/50 that Inner Stickler is your guilty party at present.
And, as such, I don’t feel it is Red Skeezix. Fortunately if I am wrong you people will correct my error.
I have the luxury of looking for the improbable because I don’t need to defend myself and the alternative is already doomed.
Also, I believe** Red Skeezix** owes me a substantial amount for my services as legal counsel. I demand a goblet of wine, preferably poisoned, as the method of my death should he be guilty. He owes me that much.
If he can’t find the poison then beat me over the head with it until I expire. My tombstone will read “I told you so.”
It will either be profound or ironic, and I can live with both.
Well, not if I’m dead. But you get the idea.
I don’t see any reason as such it could not be both of them. But with Shadowfacts dead and town, clearly:
– Red really did attack him
– it wasn’t a frame, so that reason for lack of scum kill evaporates
– Septimus’ comments yesterday, the stuff I was looking at last night before SF said he blocked you: with SF a townie those read even more like Septimus is trying to set up SF for the fall even anticipating that Red will die and flip scum.
As well, you have Inner on a nonsensical breadcrumb, but Red did the same thing IMO. And some other small stuff that all looks a lot worse with the distraction of Shadowfacts gone. (For instance, he was ALSO hanging around at end of day on day two. Did he ever lock in on Septimus on day three?)
If I’ve changed my mind on anyone since yesterday it’s probably choie. That comment of hers I quoted initially looked like gloating from foreknowledge, but the bit about Red doesn’t fit as well – if Red is scum I think she is town.
At the moment. :headdesk:
I’m not sure where I stand on SP anymore. The initial impression with the daykill (along with obviously not being scum with SF) put him in a better light, but now I’m just confused.
I want to go back to basics, look at bandwagons on townies to find any that contained all townies or presumed townies but one; re-examine the day three and four lynches in light of current knowledge, and so on.
I’d also like to see Stanislaus’ current impression of the state of night (and now day) actions given today’s flips and my objections to the last list, some of which still stand.
I strongly disagree.
Red called out to the town that he was going to attack the mafia godfather. Somebody should vig this guy. Then, no kill that night, and then the next night, he attacks ShadowFacts who also just barely escaped death, and that’s what he was really doing that night.
The breadcrumb makes sense from a vigilante. Suppose he is scanned as attacking septimus, and septimus had died as townie. Red would be on the hook for his death, but he’s making it abundantly clear that he was performing a vigilante mission.
On the other hand, certain other roles do not need to specify that the detective is going to be 1) protected and 2) unable to scan, while 3) announcing their own presence.
That is completely unnecessary.
One more thing, I know everyone here remembers the description of the Beguiler role from the hosts’ color. It mentions two major talents of the role, and I’m paraphrasing, but they were the ability to seem trustworthy (A godfather would be scan immune) and the ability to use his wits to escape from danger (A godfather who is vig immune).
Now I know it came from a DnD description of the Beguiler role, but the game hosts built the roles based on these descriptions. That’s why I believe it means the Beguiler was vig-immune.
No other vig has claimed, no vig has been able to kill, and there’s lots of evidence the vigilante is both in the game and has rational explanations for his ineffectiveness.
I also point out he voted all of once and wasn’t here to spare himself, and hasn’t been active for the past 2 days. That doesn’t smell like mafia to me.
I could really go on, and on, and on. And you guys know I am capable of that. But it doesn’t matter, you need to see this one for yourself. You need to have Red Skeezix’ head in your hands, and his blades melted down, and his Redness bleached out completely, before you can accept he was your vigilante and he was innocent.
That is why I am asking him to kill the one that nobody but me wants to kill. If he’s mafia he wants to kill that same person anyway. If I’m right, this is probably our last chance for Red to prove his townie-ness and give compensation for his own death.
I believe in vigilantes to correct the mistakes that a popular vote cannot solve.
Red is already a man backed into a corner. I hope he finally makes himself very dangerous.
Last Activity: 08-09-2011 12:00 AM
Red Skeezix.
With one vote; never showed up to save himself. The same player who is notorious for going inactive for stretches of days at a time. Not unusual behavior for him.
Unusual that a mafioso wouldn’t lock his votes here, yeah. But then again, I’m very sure he’s innocent.
Oh, that said, I swallowed my pride and forced myself to re-read all of ShadowFacts stuff. And I lied about not mentioning you-know-who (tsk tsk… don’t make promises you can’t keep…) but I’ll be kind and spoiler my thoughts so you can skip right past them.
Caveat: If Red Flips Townie, you can read this because it becomes relevant to you people. This post is for Red Skeezix, mostly.
So now we know for sure this is all true, unless the scums have concealed ShadowFacts true alignment with some kind of power. Though, with this game, I would wager the effects of such a power would be temporary and you’ll know soon that’s the case or not.
We know that he was using Ed’s book, and we know that he did see someone chasing after him.
What did **Red Skeezix **report that night?
This is consistent with being blocked by a magic ritual. So Red’s story matches Shadow’s story.
And Suburban Plankton’s story matches ShadowFacts’ story that someone was tracking him that night.
And if you believe Suburban Plankton is a townie tracker, that might imply that he’s telling the truth about Inner Stickler.
Well I can buy that he’s a tracker, sure. Does that mean he’s innocent? A tracker is useful in identifying scumbags.** So is a real detective.**
And we had a universal backup role which could have become a detective. That makes 3 detectives in this game, possibly, plus a real doctor.
That’s overpowered.
I can buy that Suburban Plankton has every bit of the power he claimed. I just believe that he is the scum team’s tracker, whose role is to hunt for power roles so they can wipe them out.
Because he has a visible night action, and he can gather information, he’s capable of providing an alibi for himself and possibly assisting in the defense of allies on his team. That’s extremely useful for a scumbag to have.
Given the existence of a real scanner and a godfather who seems to be vig-kill immune, my conclusion is that Red Skeezix is the townie assassin he claims to be. Special ed and ShadowFacts and Lightfoot were also the roles they claim to be.
That leaves Inner Stickler and **Suburban Plankton **as the only other remaining power roles in the game that are claimed and townie.
1 dead mystic (special Ed) TOWN
1 dead detective (Lightfoot) TOWN
1 dead universal backup (ShadowFacts) TOWN
1 claimed vigilante (Red Skeezix)
1 claimed doctor (Inner Stickler)
1 claimed tracker (Suburban Plankton)
Either Suburban Plankton is scum or there is a “delay blocker” on the scum team
If Suburban Plankton is townie then Inner Stickler is probably townie, in spite of the mismatched spellcasting. I can chalk it up to a host error then. Rather big error, but then we all make mistakes, don’t we pIzzaguy. :smack:
We also know that the “delay blocker” didn’t cause the headaches and strength draining which is uncharacteristic of a townie cleric blocking someone, which is unusual in itself. I have trouble reconciling this scum blocker (such a role can only be scum at this point) with the results from Lightfoot on N2.
Now, here’s the part I find extremely worrysome.
Red Skeezix’ report of being blocked by ShadowFacts.
Suburban Plankton’s report of being blocked by unknown delay blocker.
This role cannot be **special ed **and it cannot be inner stickler. Yet it matches the results that one might get from being blocked by special ed’s spell type. This was posted after Red Skeezix posted the initial result for comparison; it is possible that this “delayed result” is a forgery.
Further, Inner Stickler does not report blocking Lightfoot last night, and the “delay” is not present in the block. Finally, the whack on the head that Red Skeezix received last night is also of a totally different type and causes different effects. It was not magical. So if Skeezix flips townie (bear with me… yeah, it’s possible guys) that means that this role does in fact exist and is a scum blocker role.
So, if Skeezix flips townie, that means that Lightfoot was blocked on the same night that Red Skeezix was blocked, BOTH of which had to have been done by scumbags, AND if Suburban Plankton’s delay blocker exists, that makes that person also a scumbag. That’s 3 DIFFERENT roleblocking scumbags. And two roleblockers (essentially one, but townies both) are already dead, and another one which is a paranoid doctor. That’s SIX roleblockers in a game, if Red Skeezix flips townie.
2 of those are essentially one role, a **townie **and a backup townie. One is a claimed paranoid doctor. The other three have not claimed. One of which is absolutely scum and DOES exist, two of which are absolutely scum and DO exist if Red Skeezix flips townie, and a third one which Suburban Plankton reports exists on N1 and is different from the physical blocker on N4 and different from the magic blocker on N4.
That would mean, if Red Skeezix flips townie, that a scum was blocking Red and a scum was blocking Lightfoot and a third unknown unclaimed “delayed” roleblocker exists which no one but Suburban Plankton has ever seen, two dead blockers, and a paranoid doctor.
Further, the color for this kind of delayed roleblock appears to be completely ripped off from Red Skeezix’ report of ShadowFacts blocking him. It has less information but is worded almost precisely the same way.
It looks as though Suburban Plankton needed to explain what he was doing N1 and when they realized that Inner Stickler blocking special ed would mean that special ed was NOT capable of blocking Suburban Plankton, which was their initial explanation. Suburban Plankton quickly realized that special ed’s power to block Suburban never happened if Inner Stickler’s story was true, but had no other immediate explanation for why he “tracked” me and I was never informed and couldn’t risk forging data on even more dead people than they already have, and I had claimed NPC vanilla so I wouldn’t have been doing anything, so it is entirely possible he invented a fifth “delayed” roleblocker out of whole cloth to explain his lack of data even though he tracked someone who should have been aware of his existence, like ShadowFacts was aware of his existence.
You see, I doubt that the game hosts would make two sets of rules; if it says in the role PM that they’ll be aware if you track them and there’s no caveat, then even a basic sleeping NPC should get a message that someone was peeking in their window or something.
So because he couldn’t have his tracking go completely onto dead people (that’s too coincidental) he used Askthepizzaguy as a tracking night, and invented the delayed blocker to explain why I couldn’t have known he was tracking me.
This block which didn’t actually block him, just delayed the results… because he had actually tracked me, or so he says. So I should have gotten a message anyway, regardless of him remembering or forgetting. You see, I wasn’t also blocked or tampered with, so I should have remembered something, according to his own role claim, but he couldn’t explain this at all. He had to invent the delayed blocker to explain the lack of data in his reveal, and also the lack of information that I would have gotten if his story was true.
It’s also possible that the paranoid doctor would have had to claim to have been protecting someone on N1, as such, they needed someone who they could guarantee wasn’t blocked that night by them, or at least, couldn’t deny their story. And so special ed was chosen, a dead guy who can’t counter that claim.
In the haste to forge these actions without slipping up, they had to include dead people and an NPC vanilla to explain the lack of proof of their actions and the lack of data; but with Suburban’s role as a tracker which I believe, if he’s scum he’s also leaving a trail of snapped twigs that he has to explain. So if I never was informed about the snapped twig, the initial story could have been “special ed did it”.
But when verifying their story before publishing it, they noticed hey, according to our story, special ed would have been blocked. Oh crap, oh crap, oh crap… what do we do?
No time to completely rewrite the thing. Just make something up that explains everything away conveniently.
Everything happened as they suggested, except, a role appeared out of the sky which no one has seen since, which just so happened to be a blocker, but it was a strange blocker, different from the scum blocker that blocked Lightfoot, and different from the special ed blocker, and different from Inner Stickler’s block. It was a delayed blocker, which means that since no one claimed, and no one WILL claim that role, it was a scumbag. That explains why Pizza didn’t hear any snapped twigs, and possibly why Suburban Plankton thought Pizza was scum even though he knew he was not due to being INACTIVE.
Well, if his results were delayed somehow, and he couldn’t remember, and a magical roleblocker made it like it never happened, then… that covers everything, yes?
Okay, print it. That’s good enough to explain everything.
Except I should still have heard the snapped twig. We should have seen other delayed blocks, especially on claimed power roles, because the delay blocker is a scum blocker.
So that role doesn’t make sense. And it would give the scums 3 whole roleblockers, count them up, if Red Skeezix flips townie.
If Skeezix flips scum, I’ve been talking out of my :eek::eek: hole this entire time. But if he flips townie, that PROVES two scum roleblockers at once on N4 alone.
And then, according to SP, that means there’s a third scum roleblocker.
That’s too many. Too many blockers.
Too coincidental that the claimed tracker was tracking:
- A vanilla who wouldn’t detect him, while SP was claiming to be blocked by someone who isn’t Stickler or Special ed.
- A dead guy who can’t contradict him
- A guy who already claimed to have a night action, thus revealing no new information
- Inner Stickler, who was under fire the next round from Askthepizzaguy.
While the claimed doctor was blocking:
- A dead guy who can’t contradict him
- Town detective
- Town detective
- Conveniently not a blocker anymore, the scums blocked the claimed doctor this night, just in the nick of time… just when the paranoid part of the protection expired. Very convenient.
So yes. I can completely buy that Suburban Plankton is a tracker role.
I have difficulty swallowing that there’s a blocker/double voter (Special ed), detective (Lightfoot), paranoid/notparanoid doctor (Inner Stickler), tracker who becomes as good as a detective (Suburban Plankton), universal backup role who could become a doctor, detective, detective, or blocker at the very least (ShadowFacts), and have them ALL BE TOWNIE, and also have a scum team comprised of:
- A scanproof bulletproof godfather
- A starting scum blocker (magical spell)
- A promoted scum blocker (physical attack)
- A starting DELAYED scum blocker (magical spell that resembles special ed or shadowfacts’ spell)
That’s 3 blockers on a team of 4.
That’s too many blockers.
That’s a convenient blocker on top of another convenient blocker, too.
The scum blocker knew to block Lightfoot the instant she wasn’t being blocked anymore.
The other scum blocker knew to block Red Skeezix the night after ShadowFacts blocked him the first time.
The third scum blocker just so happened to hit Suburban Plankton on N1 when special ed was being blocked by another blocker, of a different type entirely to the blocks on Lightfoot and Red Skeezix later on in the game, written in the same color and flavor as the shadowfacts/ed blocking color, and this scum blocker hasn’t been seen since then by anyone else, and should have at least attempted to block Lightfoot once, or Red Skeezix once due to breadcrumbing.
Now, this all assumes Skeezix is innocent. If he’s guilty well then flush-it-all.
But if Skeezix is innocent, you have no less than 3 scum blockers. That’s too many.
N4- One blocks Lightfoot
N4- One blocks Skeezix
Delayed blocker is neither of these. That’s 3. 2 others are already dead, 1 other is still alive.
That’s 6 roleblockers. Six. 3 townie ones, 3 scum ones.
2 that are dead are townie. Technically, Inner Stickler if townie also counted as a townie roleblocker. That makes 3. If Red Skeezix flips townie, 2 of those others are scum blockers. Since the sixth one hasn’t claimed and doesn’t match the 2 scum blockers, that scum blocker doesn’t exist, or the scum team has 3 blockers.
3 scum blockers is too many blockers. Town already has 2-3, 2 proven and 1 claimed.
6 roleblockers in a game. I’m repeating myself.
It doesn't matter, nothing stops Red Skeezix' death tomorrow, I'd wager.
**However, the person I am really speaking to here is Red Skeezix.**
If Red Skeezix is townie, then he already knows the score. He already knows 2 scum blocks on N4, both of which do not match the "delayed" blocker, and that also means 2 townie blockers are dead and 1 doctor is alive who claimed to also have blocking powers and seemingly demonstrated them. So, Red Skeezix knows that if Suburban is telling the truth, there are 6 roleblockers in the game, or our paranoid doctor is one of those blockers from last night.
While the explanation is convoluted for why I conclude this, so is the initial storytelling. Delayed blocker? Physical blocker? Magical blocker? None claimed? All scum? No.... doesn't make sense.
Scanning and blocking dead people and NPC townies and folks who had already claimed to have night actions? That seems coincidental and not very townie.
And so, in spite of some complications, the original theory about Suburban being not trustworthy still stands. The twist is, he does have the tracking powers he claims. Except he also needed to explain away the missing snapped twig footprint, and that caused headaches because of other variables needing to be taken into account. So that is what caused the invention of the delay blocker.
**There are two blockers on the scum team. One who blocked Lightfoot last night, and one who blocked Red Skeezix last night. Both have a distinctive style which is impossible to misinterpret. One is magical and leaves you rested, one is physical and hurts like hell.
*****If Red Skeezix is townie, this is INDISPUTABLE.***
Now, if he's scum, he's dead ANYWAY, because you guys are going to lynch him. And that's good! I feel better about wasting my time on this wrong theory if it causes no (additional) damage.
This is just thinking ahead for when and if Red flips townie, so people don't go "Buh? What happened? We were so sure... now what do we do? We have NO LEADS!"
We do have leads. It's just that the lead I'm looking at is very improbable to everyone but myself and my client at the moment. And it requires a very, very convoluted explanation.
I'm sorry about that. I know it is convoluted. But this game does have, apparently, 4-5 roleblockers in it. **Any explanation, true or false, for what happened, is still going to be complex.**
Even if this explanation is wrong, it needed to have been explored by someone. That's what I am here for. I am stubborn and persistent and I consider all the options. That's why I'm the only one who could have looked at this option today, and not be accused of being scum for my trouble.
It is also *possible *that Red is townie and our other claimed roles are too. And I'm really, really having trouble coming up with explanations as to how that can be. I will go back to the drawing board on that one. I am hoping that there will be some additional information that can help simplify things for me by the time I need to post such a theory, because to be honest, such a longshot situation is hard to prioritize and does require a LOT of unlikely coincidences.
Someone else feel free to posit explanations for all our claimed roles being townie. If you assume everything our claimed roles tell us is true, how do you reconcile it?
Try to reconcile it.
It's very, very hard. It's damned impossible, right now. At least, that's how I see it.
So yeah, I conclude that you guys are either right on Red Skeezix, or you've got a fantastically convoluted explanation for what's going on. But at least I thought of one....
Sleepy time now.
**Red Skeezix, you should hit Stickler.**
May the gods have mercy on my foolish soul.
Hey, Red Skeezix, if you have the time, please read this post. If you don’t, skip to the end of the spoiler.
~
And one tilde for my fallen homies.
OK! Borrowing SPs original list of all claimed actions and results, again. This time I’ll try three scenarios: Red Scum/Inner and SP Town; Red and SP Town/Inner Scum; Red Town/Inner and SP Scum. Note that the second scenario relies on SP being fooled when he tracked Inner, which would imply some sort of anti-trackign ability. I haven’t included and Inner Town/SP Scum scenario because I don’t see Scum making up a false roleclaim in order to lend credibility to the Town Doc.
Night 1
Suburban tracked Pizza - blocked
LightFoot investigated Pizza - Pizza is Town
Red took no action
Inner Stickler protected/blocked Special Ed
Scathach killed
Red Scum: Red killed Scathach? Or did nothing. Inner blocks/protects Ed. No block from Ed, ergo. So a scum roleblocker blocks Suburban.
Red/SP Town: Red as above. Inner blocks SP, not Ed. Ed misfires somehow.
Inner/SP Scum: Red did nothing. Inner may well have blocked Ed. SP could have done anything.
I agree that these are consistent so far. As far as the colour of SPs block goes, I’ve been thinking about this and would actually be surprised if Town blocks get different colour than Scum blocks. It comes this close to mod-confirmation of alignment if your PM shows which side was blocking you.
Night 2
Suburban tracked Ed - Ed took an action
Suburban received delayed reveal from Night 1 - Pizza took no action
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Septimus - Septimus was protected
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot
Ed killed
Red Scum: Red didn’t attack septimus. Inner protects and blocks Lightfoot. The roleblock on SP from Night 1 wears off, giving him results. What does the scum roleblocker who was blocking SP do? Probably block Lightfoot. Definitely didn’t block Ed or SP or Inner. Doesn’t, per Red’s PM (“your target was protected”), block Red.
Red/SP Town: Septimus’ survives Red’s attack. SP’s delayed reveal of N1 results implies that scum-Inner’s block “wears off” somehow. This is important.
Inner/SP Scum: Red/septimus as above. Inner blocks Lightfoot. SP kills Ed? Or does nothing. SP has essentially made up the detail about his N1 block and N2 delayed results. Why?
Night 3
Suburban tracked Shadow - Shadow took an action
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Shadow - blocked
Shadow blocked Red
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot
No kill.
Red Scum: Red was the designated killer - Shadow nailed him. SP gets to see Shadow do it. Lightfoot remains hampered by Inner. The scum roleblocker isn’t stopping Shadow (claimed at this point), Inner or SP. Presumably still blocking Lightfoot? If not, isn’t troubling anybody.
Red/SP Town: Scum have failed to kill for some reason. If they took aim at Lightfoot and failed, then there’s an unclaimed Doc or other protective role out there. If they were aiming at someone else, the same applies. With Shadow Town, there wasn’t a frame going on. So they gave up a kill because??? Does this relate to toDay’s Day Kill? Plus this: SP was blocked on N1 by Inner but got results on N2. Lightfoot was blocked on N2 by Inner - she should have that result on N3, right? But this didn’t happen. So two different scum blocked SP on N1 and Lightfoot on N2. One of them (Inner?) is still blocking Lightfoot. The other isn’t blocking Shadow, claimed power role. Nor Red, nor SP. So who? This scenario is beginning to feel unlikely.
Inner/SP Scum: SP knew Shadow was Town, so lied about seeing him in action. Inner keeps blocking Lightfoot. Scum fail to kill. This is just as implausible as it was above. Link to the Day Kill is the only possible explanation, but see below.
Night 4
Suburban tracked Inner - Inner cast “a helpful spell”
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Pedescribe - blocked
Shadow blocked Pizza
Inner Stickler protected LightFoot
No Kill
Day 5
Lightfoot killed
Red Scum: Who blocked Red? Not Shadow, not Inner. Inner’s no longer Paranoid, so the scum roleblocker is blocking Lightfoot. So Red’s lying. Why no kill? Given the proximity in time, I’m much more prepared to believe that is related to the Day Kill. If not, I don’t have an explanation. I don’t believe scum traded two NKs for one Day Kill, because that just doesn’t make sense.
Red/SP Town: SP sees Inner cast a helpful spell, but this is misinformation from the mods. One of the scum blockers blocks Lightfoot, the other blocks Red. Scum aren’t blocked, but fail to kill. See above.
Inner/SP Scum: SP is bluffing on Inner. Scum have to have two blockers under this scenario now, to account for Red and Lightfoot. See above for No Kill/Day Kill.
In summary: If Red is Town, scum have two blockers, one of whom may or may not be a delay blocker depending on SPs alignment. The failed kill on N3 can’t be explained by any known blocking actions, leaving us with an unclaimed Doc or some relationship to the Day Kill on D5. If Red is scum, we have 1 scum roleblocker and an easy explanation for an N3 no-kill.
If find Inner Scum/SP Town utterly implausible (2 scum roleblockers? No town Doc?); Inner as scum without SP also utterly implausible (misleading mods) and Red as scum all too easy to believe.
Yep I agree with you Stan.
I agree my scenario is not very plausible.
I just put it out there because if Red flips townie, nobody will have a clue what to do or why that was possible, and I’ll be too dead to help you figure it out.
So there it is.
So uh… Red is scum or he’s not. If he is, he’s dead, if he’s not, he’s dead.
What if he’s not. What do you guys do?
I just want to know. Inquiring minds like mine wanna know. Even Shadow had no idea.
If you humor my thought experiment on that, I’ll look at who was scum with Red Skeezix and septimus. You do me a favor I do you a favor.
Tell me what you do if Red Skeezix flips townie, and I’ll spend the remainder of the night tossing out who I think is scum with Red and septimus. Fair deal?
We use the 120 hours of the next Day to discuss it?
Sorry, I don’t mean to be flippant. But you are talking as if we’re under some hideous time pressure, and that without deep preparation for every eventuality we’ll be panicked into a spur of the moment decision.
Red is highly likely to be scum. We’ve got plenty of time to regroup on the off-chance he isn’t. So spending time now planning for that off-chance is a waste of time. Even if we have lots of it, we’d be better of discussing something more concrete. Like, for example, why USCDiver ducked the chance to second vote Red.
Okay. I just used the previous day phases’ hours to discuss it with myself, just in case I died and I can’t discuss it later. I hope people can forgive me for that.
Anyway, my initial thoughts are, if Red is scum-
TOWNIE 100%
Askthepizzaguy- Proven innocent by lightfoot, and thus, will be too dead to help you out later on in the game.
TOWNIE 90%
Normal Phase- Locked in on septimus on D2 with me and other proven townie special ed. Normal Phase is a very good mafioso but this was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY and outed the scum godfather as a result of it. And she was about as consistent as myself and Stanislaus on making septimus dead. In fact I was the one who decided to go thought experimenting, not her.
Stanislaus- too consistent on septimus, and also, locked on Red Skeezix the mafioso even after I tried to talk him out of it. As such, not mafia.
Inner Stickler- Your theories were right and I was wrong, guys. I doubt massively that Inner and Red and septimus are mafia together.
Suburban Plankton- Your theories were right and I was wrong, guys. I doubt massively that Suburban and Red and septimus are mafia together.
TOWNIE 70%
**USCDiver **(Voted septimus, Red, and Red yesterday) *EDIT- Although, no locks… hmmm
TOWNIE 50%
Hirka T’Bawa (LOCK SHADOW)
His hesitation this round felt fairly genuine, and I had to prod him to even affect the tally at all. This one is probably my fault. He locked early game on someone in a situation I don’t find the scums could have done. Problem here is he locked Shadow.
**choie **(Red, and disagreed with me all game long about Shadow, Suburban, Inner, etc. The problem here is she didn’t lock Red, only voted once.
SUSPECT:
**gnarlycharlie **(Shadow)
**MentalGuy **(Shadow)
**Weedy **(Shadow)
Not townie 100%
**pedescribe- **NO VOTE, and not discussing, therefore useless even if townie.
Red Skeezix- Mafia and dead.