Continuing on with looking at references to ShadowFActs.
This all looks convincingly scummy to me. It’s arguably a tad bit overexplained in places, it’s definitely scum-friendly, and I for one actually think that Septimus’ actions were very much NOT explained by his claim, so I have my doubts that Hirka could have believed that either.
He goes very quickly to trusting Shadowfacts, which bugs me, though I’m not sure it’s a scum tell objectively.
Jumping jiminy, is De’endee located on an Alpine mountaintop? 'Cause it’s like what I say goes right into thin air, the wind blowing my words away.
I voted for Hirka yesterday when I didn’t have to. I didn’t double-vote 'cause I’m on record as not liking the double-voting convention, and besides, I thought Red was guilty too. Hell, I could’ve double-voted Red Skeezix early on to help myself, and probably should have. But despite the burgeoning choiewagon early on, when out of nowhere the tide turned and Red Skeezix was bound for the gallows, I realized I could vote my conscience, so I tossed a vote to Hirka as a sort of FOS vote.
You guys are acting like there’s some rule that people must double-vote on the same person, that it’s a litmus test, and that anyone who doesn’t completely lock in their votes is de facto wishy-washy, ergo they’re scum. Well, I think that’s B.S. There’s a reason that the mods didn’t say that both votes had to be on the same suspect. I strongly believe it’s better and safer for town not to lock in votes except perhaps right at the end of the Day. Because to lock in early means that we get cases where people are stuck with their choices, no matter how the Day progresses and no matter what new information arises.
Look at what happened yesterday – you double-voted me, and did your best to convince everyone else of Red Skeezix’s innocence. Then Red Skeezix came out of hiding to claim remorseful vig, conveniently having waited for you to lock on me and make your strongest case against me.
Despite your belief that this was a move to throw suspicion away from me, it had the opposite effect for a few players – Inner certainly and gnarlycharlie possibly (assuming he’s Town, which I don’t).
So what if even more people had double-voted on me when it was too late to change their minds? Then we’d still have a scum assassin roaming the streets of our fair town.
Double-voting is not the only way to win, it’s not the only way to prove one’s convictions. I am absolutely certain that to the contrary, it’s damn reckless to lock in a double-vote early in a Day, and I wouldn’t do it even if you told me it was certain to make me a lynch target. I would double-vote at the end of a Day if it became necessary to save an innocent person and tip the vote toward a guilty one, but I wouldn’t do it early, ever. If a double-vote won’t make a difference either way, then I will use my second vote to point the finger at someone.
The only time I’ve regretted this was during the Red Skeezix / ShadowFacts standoff. I fucked up. My forgetting that Day ended an hour early meant I couldn’t place my second vote. (It’s possible that it wouldn’t have helped ShadowFacts anyway because everyone else had locked on him and even my second vote would probably have tied things up, and ties go to the first person to reach the tie – Shadow, alas.) But even so, I wish I wish I wish my stupid brain had remembered the early Day deadline.
Anyway, that’s what I did yesterday. I voted my convictions, which were/are that both Red and Hirka were scum.
So despite my not double-voting for Hirka yesterday, hell yes, I think he’s scum. I told you why last night, and your own arguments (*and on edit, Normal’s too) push me even further in that direction. I also think gnarlycharlie is the second and presumably final remaining Lord of Slaughter, with MentalGuy as an option and Stanislaus as the dark horse option who fooled me by being so awesome. (My trust in Septimus is my bete noire, dammit. So I’m holding out the possibility that someone I’m convinced is innocent is actually a very very clever Lord of Slaughter.)
But absent some astoundingly good defense of Hirka from a trusted source like Inner Stickler (despite his vote on me, I still trust he’s Town), I will probably cast both my votes on Hirka. At this point it may be the only thing that saves me.
One more thing.
I won’t continue to defend myself, as pizza has said there’s no point to it. But
pizza, after all the evil scummy motivations you’ve ascribed to me, and after all the ultimatums you’ve made to others, I think it’s time for you to be on the other end of that for a change. And don’t worry, it’s not one that puts Town in any jeopardy. Indeed, it will only require you to do something if/when I’m lynched or murdered.
With that teensy, vanishingly small benefit of the doubt you allegedly gave me (though it sure doesn’t read like one to me, considering you’re already plotting my death hours later), I’d like you to make a promise to me:
If you have a webcam, please, when I die and Astral Rejection gives the color that shows the side I’m on, make sure that the cam gets a picture of your reaction. If I’m town, you must post: “I’m very sorry choie, I was wrong. And I’m sorry for wasting town’s time for Days by sticking with my idee fixe that you were certainly scum.” With, of course, a link to said picture. If you don’t have a webcam, I’ll just take the statement.
BTW, you must do this even if you’re dead. I want your ghostly spectre to arise in the De’endee town square and post that line.
Now this may seem a drastic thing to ask of anyone. But what the heck, right? Since you’re so certain I’m scum, and that this result will never happen, you should be able to agree to this. No worries, it’s all good, just some words that you know you’ll never have to write.
Please, pizza. Agree to this condition. Why not? After all, it’s just for fun, and you won’t have to go through with it, 'cause I’m so absolutely certain to flip scum. So, what’dya say? I mean, there’s like no chance you’ll have to hold up your end of the bargain, right? Right? 
Next day is very much harder to unpack for me.
Actually I take that back. I had some vague remembrances of this day that had me in a bit of a WIFOM-y quandary, but this first post’s specific wording does still ping.
Devil’s advocate-ing a caught scumbuddy is so freaking dangerous it’s not something I’d really expect a scum to do. Voting him anyway … well all right. What’s getting me is the third point about Shadow being scum. Hirka’s last mention of Shadow prior to this was that he believed his claim, was glad he’s alive. Now he’s afraid Shadow could be scum and have pulled a ploy, with nothing in between? It’s just not emotionally consistent, and I don’t buy it.
This is all rather uncomfortably spot on, though, and unlike the thing with ShadowFacts, does read as a natural evolution from his previous post.
Right back to scummy. First, Red’s criticism of Hirka was in fact off base. The effect is that Hirka comes off smelling better than Red does, which is nice for him if Hirka is scum. He wouldn’t have to be, though, could be Red just pickign on a townie. All the rest feels scummy to me, including the LF reference. Why would anyone even think she hadn’t been blocked? The whole post after the defense against Red feels like nervous chatter.
Same.
I think the thing that’s bugging me is that Hirka’s questioning of Shadow never seems to get at the heart of the issues I had with him; it’s all superficial, serving to keep the pressure on him but always with a way out.
All right. Day Four was my biggest stumbling block to Hirka being scum in my recollection, particularly his having played devil’s advocate for Red. On closer inspection it’s not nearly as big an issue as I’d thought.
So while I kind of wish I’d found otherwise (Mental Guy was my suspect, Pizza, Mental Guy!) I see nothing here to change my thought that Hirka should be lynched next.
Other than please Mental Guy after that if Hirka is wrong, I have no strong feelings beyond that nor time to get the posts to check things out.
That’s okay, I’m sure you have more.
To no reasonable effect of him getting lynched, obviously. He was **never **in danger by your vote.
Good; so I take it that means you wouldn’t mind locking onto Hirka, as he’s a top suspect of several people including yourself?
Especially if I die. Consider it voting for Hirka for me.
Surprise?
But you’ll still do it, since Hirka is obviously scummy and we **do **of course want to lynch our top suspect instead of you.
What new information is going to rise? You and Hirka have both claimed your roles already. Both detectives are dead. No roleblocker on the town side remaining. The only claimed town power role remaining can be blocked.
How is this convenient, and for whom?
Well, yeah… it was a WIFOM-y move by a scumbag, designed to be confusing.
One that most players were dead sure was guilty, but we’d also know your alignment as well.
If you’re guilty, that’s a far worse outcome than Red bussing himself.
Look, a shoe. Already stating for the record you won’t lock in on Hirka T’Bawa, your own suspect.
Well, we can count on at least one vote on Hirka that you’d promise not to remove at all even if you could then, right?
Right?
Choie. Not convincing. Focus on suspects, not defenses.
Convictions which suddenly appeared after you felt I was being anti-town for voting Hirka and Diver, and you had no record of feeling that way about Hirka up to that point to my knowledge.
Good, so you’ll be on board when we lynch him.
Sure, I’ll even vote for gnarlycharlie… if you flip townie.
Why so worried about saving yourself? You’re just a bog standard boring old vanilla role what couldn’t hurt a fly, miss choie.
…
Promise me you’ll vote for Hirka T’Bawa tomorrow and not remove at least one of those votes. 
Oooh choie, I didn’t know you were so interested in sneaking a peek at me. I’ll take that as flattery!
Tell you what. You vote for Hirka T’Bawa and he flips scum, I’ll ask for one last chance for you to pick a scumbag and live. You pick anyone in the game that’s a reasonable choice (Inner Stickler not being one of them) and we’ll lynch that person, giving you a chance to look totally awesome and win the game, alive, as town.
Fail your saving throw, and it’s off with your head. You flip townie, and I’ll post a picture of myself with a frowny face with my apologies. Of course I’ll be dead by then, but maybe scummy Astral can make an exception.
Sure why not.
So, you’ll be voting for Hirka then? Good. I’m not worried then.
Just so long as we lynch you if Hirka flips scumbag, I’ll agree to whatever you want.
You want a picture of me in a thong, I’ll figure out a way to make it happen. 
Hint: I’ll likely paste a picture of a thong superimposed on top of a picture of me looking normal. Really sexy stuff.
So worried about arguing your innocence, so reluctant to vote/lock Hirka when it might actually result in his death. Stanislaus or Normal Phase for scum? Really? All righty. I just hope they’re listening to your desires for their death, along with gnarlycharlie and Hirka T’Bawa.
well at least we are in agreement that Hirka stands out. if he’s town, USCDiver and i, perhaps even MentalGuy, will look bad. if he’s scum, i guess we’ll see.
personally, town can lynch me after Hirka if it will cut through whatever doubt there might be. i win with town alive or dead .
I really really want to peek under your skirt choie. I gotta see the choie card. I’m almost sure there’s evil horns on it.
If you want to avoid that, then you’ve gotta SHOW ME THE TOWNIE!
Demonstrate your commitment to the Defenders of De’endee order, vote for Hirka, cross your fingers he flips scum, and then vote for someone else, cross your fingers they flip scum… etc, until we’re done finding scums. That’s how I feel about you. For every scumbag you lynch, you’ll get 1 additional Pizza-approved benefit of the doubt card. And I’ll nod my head and not ask to see if you’ve got red or blue colored ones on underneath. Protect your modesty with the skulls of scumbags, and you shall have it, with my sincere apologies and sincere thanks.
That’s the best I can promise you right now. You’re all over my scum-o-meter and have been all game long. I’ve given you room to work, but time is running short. Kill the scums or show me the choie card, please.
You succeed and prove me wrong, I may yet wear a thong. It’s true because it rhymes.
So here’s what I’ve done. I’ve pulled up choie’s posts and am now going through them one-by-one to see if her suspicions of Hirka didn’t just appear out of thin air, only to disappear like her words in the alpine winds.
Will report back on my findings.
151- Nope.
164- Nope.
187- Nope.
198- Nope.
199- Nope.
247- “I have to admit askthepizzaguy’s voting post took me aback, because it seemed so out-of-left-field and without rationale. Like he was just blindly playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey. Especially since I don’t see anything particularly scummy in Koldanar”
In other words, Nope.
291- Nope.
308- Nope.
333- Nope.
364- Nope.
414- Nope.
419- Nope.
445- Nope.
447- Nope.
566- Nope.
568- Nope.
570- Nope.
581- Nope.
608- Nope.
731- Nope.
737- Nope.
863- Nope.
869- Nope.
911- Nope.
929- Nope.
930- Nope.
1177- Nope.
1406- Nope.
1562- Nope.
1571- Nope.
1976- " Hirka: Almost forgot him/her. I’ve got no real feel yet. See pedescribe. As I recall, people were kinda suspicious of the person Hirka subbed in for – Koldenar, wasn’t it? – but that was so far back, I doubt guesses then were of any use now."
Almost 2000 posts and “no real feel”. Doubt the guesses were of any use now? In other words, NOPE.
1985- Nope.
1988- Nope.
2001- “Why not the elusive pedescribe or the terse Weedy or the slippery Hirka or the ever-safe Mental Guy or the cool-minded Stanislaus or the mysteriously dual-named Renata/Normal Phase or the sorry-I-can’t think-of-an-adjective USCDiver or hell, the alternately loquacious and lame partial lurker choie?”
Hirka is described as slippery, no reasons given, tossed into a pile of other suspects. I wouldn’t call this “real” suspicion. In other words, Nope.
2149- Nope.
2193- Nope.
2201- Nope.
2223- Nope. This is Day Six, by the way.
2224- Nope.
2225- Nope.
2243- Nope.
2253- “I’m certainly willing to vote for Hirka and/or USCDiver. But I’m not seeing much of a reason to right now.”
In other words, NOPE.
2260- “Actually I’d like to look back to Koldanar’s posts and see how s/he was playing Hirka’s role. Not gonna do it now because I don’t know what time it is in pizzaland, but here it’s almost 3AM.”
In other words, NOPE.
2264- Nope.
2289- "I have no idea how I failed your test on whether I’d vote for Hirka or USCDiver, two names seemingly pulled from out of your-- uh – let’s say out of thin air. My response was simple. Since I believe ShadowFacts and think Red Skeezix is guilty, I looked back on their votes and saw that they both voted for him. Nothing else stands out as scummy to me in their play, so I currently said I’m leaning townie. I also said I wanted to take another look at Koldanar’s posts, since s/he played the same role as Hirka before pulling out of the game.
But apparently this was a bad answer. I guess I was supposed to say “AW HELL YEAH, KILL THE BASTARDS!” out of nowhere, is that it? Because you have a “hunch” that you weren’t even gracing me with, yet"
In other words, NOOOOOOOOOPE.
2290- Nope.
2319- " I think the remaining scum are Red, Hirka, Normal (I think she’s playing deep) and either pedescribe or Stanislaus. The latter is only in there 'cause I like his posts so much. I’m at the point where I’m gonna assume my instincts are totally wrong, so probably Stanislaus is like the uber-evil type"
You think the remaining scum are Red (bonus) Hirka (Why? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?) Normal, pede, and Stanislaus.
So, you toss Hirka’s name in there on no reasoning after never doing a re-read, with 4 other names.
Sounds like real strong suspicion to me.
In other words: Nope!
2379-
Now, at this point, you finally start mentioning Hirka’s name more. This is after I voted him and you said how anti-town it was and had no reasons to vote for him and that you haven’t re-read him yet and that you doubt guesses from that early mattered now.
“For me, the person who stands out the most is Hirka, who seems to have been gunning for ShadowFacts for weeks.”
Oh, also, there was a wagon forming on you. Coincidence?
Does this sound like real suspicion, choie?
Nope.
2389- “Right now the person who seems scummier to me is Hirka, and his double-voting of me doesn’t help (admittedly that’s kind of OMGUSish but when you know you’re innocent, you’re bound to feel suspicious of someone who’s rooting for your death). But there’s really no point in voting for Hirka considering the vote count right now. I’d be throwing my votes away.”
Good, so you’ll vote for Hirka tomorrow, when the vote count is reset to zero then, then? Then? How about then? What about then? Indeed, then.
2408- "Fine. I’ll vote the way I genuinely feel then.
vote Red Skeezix
vote Hirka T’Bawa
I don’t care if it makes no difference. I think both of these are scummy."
Okay. Then prove it choie.
Because, as you’re so fond of saying, that’s bullshit.
The air in the alpine mountains is very thin, and this is where choie’s suspicions of Hirka T’Bawa came from. Out of the thin mountain air.
Also, during the re-read, choie said there was nothing suspicious about septimus, later said there was nothing suspicious about Red Skeezix, and has repeatedly said there’s nothing about Hirka that strikes her as scummy. Except of course, after I did my thing yesterday and voted for Hirka and started questioning people about this, and still you need to do a re-read.
Only when the choie wagon starts taking off does choie give any reasoning whatsoever as to why Hirka B’Guilty.
Interesting to me. Plus the defenses of septimus and Red Skeezix during the game.
Choie, you didn’t find Hirka T’Bawa scummy until your neck was on the line. Bull poopie, that’s all this is.
I have only 2 hours left until work and my very likely death.
Anyone have anything else they want to say to me?
Hugs and kisses. Love you lots.
Next time: strip poker, my place. All bets are “off” if you get my pun.
Wait, is that a “you’re too wordy” dig? From thou?
That doesn’t matter to me. It’s what I believed. I’ll put it this way: Red was in no danger of not being lynched by the time I placed my votes (votes that were waiting for you, by the way; you snooze, you lose!). So if I’m scum, why not just jump on the bandwagon and double-vote Red? Because a) I’m not scum, and b) I wanted to vote for Hirka in some fashion because by then I felt his behavior was scummy as hell, and I thought a finger-point was in order. Since the Red lynch didn’t require my second vote, I let my conscience ring out, like Joan of Arc on the flames.
Jeebus, how many times do I have to say the same thing? Why do you ask the same questions over and over when I have said, twice now, that I would vote Hirka? What are you trying to gain by constant repetition except browbeating me? This isn’t useful, pizza.
I will not agree, sight unseen, to double-vote Hirka, especially not first thing in the Morning. That would be crazy irresponsible and I don’t care if it means you lynch me instead, I will not go against my conviction that double-voting early is absolutely irresponsible behavior.
Yes, I want to lynch our top guilty suspect instead of anyone else. I will double-vote Hirka if the afternoon arrives and neither he or Inner Stickler or someone whom I mostly trust like Normal or Stanislaus (God, I hope I’m right about him) has posted some credible alternate reason why Hirka is innocent and/or someone else is scummier than him.
(Do we know Hirka is male, btw? Sorry if I guessed wrong, I hate the default idea that everyone’s male on the interwebs.)
What new info is going to rise? Hell if I know. I didn’t even know there was such a thing as a Remorseful Vig when Red trotted it out and several people confirmed that it existed and started to believe him. For all I know Hirka (or maybe someone who’s been hiding – either literally like pedescribe or figuratively in plain sight, like Normal or MentalGuy or one of the less active folks) will reveal some other heretofore unknown-to-me role that makes everything make sense and ties a neat little bow on either Hirka’s innocence or someone else’s guilt. For all I know there’s a Double-Secret-Remorseful-Paranoid-Cop-Who-Moonlights-As-Psychiatrist that I’ve never heard of before, and this person comes out and admits that s/he’s scanned Hirka] and found him utterly clean and for reasons A B and C s/he found out person X is clearly scum, and every single thing this Double-Secret-Remorseful-Paranoid-Cop-Who-Moonlights-As-Psychiatrist says adds up.
Meanwhile, we’ve all locked on Hirka and can’t do a blessed thing about it. Good going, us!
Maybe this is impossible. I just don’t know.
So I will repeat this till I’m blue in the face and I do NOT care if I’m lynched Tomorrow because of it: Double-voting automatically at the start of the Day is really, really really, really irresponsible behavior for a townie. So no, even if it costs me my life, I won’t double-vote automatically. Not even for you, dear pizza with the unwholesome obsession with looking at my nether regions.
For Red, obviously. (And his fellow scumbuddies.) Like it or not, you were the person with the most town cred, and you’d double-voted me and bewailed our folly in voting for Red. Red waited until you’d made such a strong stand against me/in his favor in order to play his boldest, most daring card, the last one he had: Remorseful Vig. Your own words had been convincing enough, but his truly put a virtual hush in the virtual town square. A few people started doubting. (Even me.) They had your apparently persuasive arguments anti-me and in favor of Red, and a now-plausible role for Red that seemed to add up.
It was a damn smart move from Red. And the unmovable, double-votes placed on me early in the Day nearly helped him. Nearly. Later in the day things turned around, thank goodness. But there were some scary hours when it seemed (at least to me) that I was going to be the sacrifice and more importantly, that Red had pulled off an amazing coup de theatre that would have fucked town like a copper-piece harlot.
You’re not listening to me, dammit. I said I wouldn’t pledge to lock in on Hirka, certainly not early in the Day. I did NOT say I wouldn’t lock in on him (or her, sorry) at all.
I don’t think it’s in the town’s best interest to pledge to double-vote someone during the freakin’ Night. That’s… that’s crazily reckless disregard for the unexpected, which is something that does sometimes happen in this game (c.f. Red Skeezix’s near-masterstroke).
Seriously, am I the only one who thinks so? I’d really like an answer to this question from Normal, Stanislaus, anyone other than pizza. God, I wish the innocent dead could speak, because I cannot believe that I’m the only one who thinks locking in automatically at the start of the Day – worse, pledging to do so during the Night before – is just about the stupidest thing a townie could do.
Holy mother of God. Y’know, I don’t believe you’re really a pizza guy IRL, I think you’re a lawyer. Only a lawyer is so implacable in trying to lead a witness.
Here’s a hypothetical, counselor. How would you feel if I locked one vote on Hirka, and something utterly unexpected happened. (What unexpected thing could happen? I have no freakin’ idea. That’s what makes it, y’know, unepxected. Especially to me. I am – sorry, I have to say this – inexperienced and I am quite unable to imagine all the possible permutations of role claims or bizarre rule-twists that could arise. So let’s say I vowed that one locked vote and this Unexpected Thing occurs, a revelation of some kind, that completely proves Hirka’s innocence or, more importantly, someone else’s guilt. And let’s say it’s a tie between all those double-voted and locked votes on Hirka and person X, the one who now seems even scummier than Hirka.
But I can neither save Hirka nor convict person X, because like an utter tool I pledged to lock my vote. So all I can do is vote once for person X. Hirka is lynched and flips town.
No big deal, you say now. So we lynch person X the next day, Hirka was expendable, all vanilla townies are. Fine, I grant you that.
But I guarantee the next Day, instead of going for person X, you’d probably still go after me. You’ll craft some new scenario that I’m an evil genius because in your mind I yam what I yam and that’s all that I yam. You’ve been doing this for several Days now – picking someone and intractably declaring their guilt – and with respect, so far, barring Septimus, you’ve been wrong each time.
Because you’re incredibly persuasive your words bullyrag others into voting for me. Okay, I’m dead. And I flip townie because I will.
What does this scenario create? I’m not good at math, but to quote Edmund Blackadder, I think it leaves town up a certain creek without a certain implement. Doesn’t that put us at Lynch or Lose? Haven’t we now wasted two votes?
So. All this is to say that YES I believe Hirka is guilty and YES I will certainly vote for him early toMorrow. (Well, I guess, unless he’s dead, that is. Ugh, I wish I hadn’t said that, now if that happens I’m gonna get dinged for PIS for sure!)
But will I pledge to lock my votes before the Day has even begun? Hells to the naw. I would never be able to look myself in the mirror if I did something so ridiculously antithetical to good judgment.
Great, now I’m getting dinged for re-reading your arguments and starting to believe them. And solidifying those beliefs by creating that Final Vote Pattern chart that no one else gives a rat’s ass about, but which helped dumb ol’ me see just how bent on ShadowFacts’s destruction he was. Then those convictions turned virtually cementlike when Hirka made that last minute switch to Red not because he was guilty, mind you, because he allegedly didn’t believe Red was guilty. But he voted supposedly innocent Red “just to remove a distraction,” a move that seemed scummy as all get-out to me.
In any event, you’re misreading what I said at the time when you suddenly went after Diver, Hirka and me. Or to be fairer, I probably just didn’t say it very well. My disagreement with you had nothing to do with my being 100% convinced that Hirka was town, because I wasn’t. I didn’t know, I hadn’t at the time looked at him carefully enough. On the surface I didn’t see anything scummy, or at least, not scummier than my main suspect. I was focused on Red at that point. I thought you were being anti-town for creating pie-in-the-sky scenarios in favor of Red Skeezix and doing everything in your power to avoid his lynching. Now I understand that you were trying to create scenarios just in case Red flipped town. But that’s not how you were coming across, pizza. You came across as positively vehement that Red was innocent. And to me, your attempts to browbeat the rest of the Town into agreeing with you struck me as a really really bad move.
But all that said, when you first asked me whether I’d be willing to vote for Hirka or Diver, I said sure, I’d consider it. I was never hell-bent against voting for Hirka. I was hell-bent against not voting against Red.
(Oy, what a convoluted paragraph! Heh.)
Barring the unforeseen (which by its nature can’t be foreseen, duh), yes. I’ve said so umpteen times now. Yes. Yes. YES!
Ask me again and I swear, dude, I’m’a coming down to Florida with the folks who won this contest.
[quote[Why so worried about saving yourself? You’re just a bog standard boring old vanilla role what couldn’t hurt a fly, miss choie.[/quote]
Is it really that unnatural to self-preserve? Seriously? Besides, I’m not just worried in saving myself as myself, but because we would not be lynching scum. Our Days are getting numbered and I am damn worried about wasting more time on half-truths and gorilla dust (TM Bill McNeal).
I’ll do the first part, not the second. I told you above why. But I fully intend to vote for Hirka and I am pretty likely to lock on him/her, barring the unforeseen.
That’s hella unfair. So in this scenario, I’ve picked the right townies and right scums four Days running (Voting Red Skeezix and Hirka and defending ShadowFacts, Suburban Plankton and Inner Stickler while you held your hands over your ears), but that’s still not enough for you, because now you say that only scum could have chosen so wisely, so knowledgably. So now you’re asking me to pick yet another scum, perfectly.
I’m sorry, but that is utterly unreasonable and you know it.
OMG
Wait, what? So now if Hirka flips scum, you’re still going to lynch me?? I thought you were going to lynch me if Hirka flips town. What the frack?
Anyway, whatever. All I’m saying is that I want you to agree to make that statement if you lynch me or I’m murdered and I flip town. Even if you die before the reveal. (Ghosts are allowed one final goodbye post, if I’m not mistaken, so you should be able to haunt our town square perfectly successfully. It won’t be considered undue influence because by then my card will have been revealed – this is after my death, remember.)
I’m surprised you’re not willing to say a simple yes to this. You’re certain I’m evil. What do you have to lose?
Okay, first of all, I never said I desired their (Stanislaus’s or Normal’s) deaths. (Frankly I find that phrasing creepy, even though it’s a game. I’m superstitious like that!) I added Stanislaus as a dark horse. Do you know what dark horse means, pizza? It means someone you don’t really expect to win (or in this case, to turn out to be scum) but could possibly do so and shock the hell outta everyone. I mentioned him, albeit in last place, because my instinctive liking for someone has burned me before with Septimus, and I learn from my mistakes. Same with Normal.
But frankly, and I hope you don’t take this the wrong way, you being dead certain about various people’s guilt or innocence is not something that’s convincing to me. Not in and of itself. Not after your stances on Inner and Suburban and Red Skeezix and, yes, choie.
As far as the “so reluctant to lock on Hirka” comment goes…
Jesus. Please, someone, anyone, tell me that I’m not losing my marbles. Is it really so hard to fathom not wanting to vow to lock on someone before the bloody Night is even over?!!!
Aha! Anti-semitism! </Raymond Luxury-Yacht>
So I already have one point for Red, right? (Though I think I deserve more for defending Inner, Shadow and Suburban, but whatevs.) And then Hirka flipping scum will grant me two, right?
The trouble is that I don’t trust you not to say “OMG she’s guessed Hirka right, that’s PIS right there, she’s gotta be scum, LYNCH HER SCUMMY ALBEIT SHAPELY ASS!”
No. I think you’re being completely unreasonable in expecting me to make a sixth correct call in a row. Whereas my request is perfectly reasonable. Especially since you’re so sure that I’m scum.
So c’mon, it’s Nighttime and we can make fun sidebets. Promise me that if I die and am proven town, you’ll post what I said to (to heck with the picture, I can forgo the pleasure of seeing your beet-red-in-embarrassment face), or be forever branded a dirty rotten coward in this here town.
If I’m town, you will owe me that much.
Next time I want someone dead, I’m so saying “Lynch their scummy albeit shapely ass”
Just read pizza’s latest “nope” fest. Not surprisingly, everything I say, he translates to fit his preconfigured script. I say I’m leaning to Hirka’s guilt, he translates that as my saying Hirka is innocent. Apparently in pizzaspeak, if you aren’t all 100% DEAD CERTAIN OMG THERE’S NO WAY I’M WRONG, your opinions don’t matter.
It’s hopeless. I’m done trying to get you to see how your singlemindedness is harming town. If you’re murdered (and I don’t see why you will, you’re helping scum more than you’re helping town at this point*) and you read the spoiler board, you’ll see. God, I can’t wait for that moment. I can only imagine that’s how ShadowFacts and Suburban felt.
Who knows what staggering wrongheadedness lurks in the hearts of pizzas? The Shadow knows. 
If I were scum, I’d leave you in place. You’re worth more to them alive.
It does have a certain ring to it, doesn’t it? (The phrase, not the ass.)
Inner, what do you think about my question, which I put to all the folks like you? Do you believe it’s a smart move to ask people to vow to lock in their votes so early – during the Night, even?
It would be interesting certainly. I can see a certain appeal for a confirmed town to demand those he feels are scummy to lock in at the beginning of the day on someone. If that person has correctly deduced the pool of scum then it would remove a lot of their bite but if they’ve missed a scum player than it’s less effective. I wouldn’t do it because when you start putting conditions on voting then scum can slide through on “I had to vote this way” rules.
I’ll see your scummy yet shapely ass on the flip-side. 
You gave ZERO REASONS why you “thought” Hirka was scummy until you had a wagon on you.
None. And you argued that you didn’t think he was scummy at all until midway through Day Six, and that was after scolding me for being so anti-town as to suggest we should lynch Hirka or Diver.
Must see the choie card. It is filled with so much awesomeness no matter what it reads…
And no, you don’t get ANY pro-town credit for saying septimus didn’t look guilty until after he died,
you don’t get ANY pro-town credit for saying that Red Skeezix didn’t look guilty until everyone and their mother wanted him dead,
you don’t get ANY pro-town credit for saying there’s nothing scummy about Hirka until you’re ass-deep in votes,
and you don’t get ANY pro-town credit for predicting someone would flip townie upon death. A scum will know that!
Dawn approaches! 15 minutes 'til daybreak, I reckon.
I never said I should! Heck, that gives me negative pro-town credit. Um, also called anti-town credit.
That ain’t how I remember it. I’m pretty sure I believed ShadowFacts’s take on Red Skeezix earlier than most people here.
This is utter twaddle. I wasn’t ass-deep in votes when I said I wasn’t sure about Hirka. You really have a problem with gray thinking, don’t you? Not being sure does not equal “nothing scummy” or “innocent.” It just means not sure. I hadn’t examined him yet.
You really aren’t taking into account the fact that I am NOT accustomed to poring over every single post and judging every line and remembering everything everyone ever said in this game. I didn’t look at Hirka closely until a couple of Days ago, when you made what I felt was a good case on him. I find it absolutely hilarious that you’re upset with me because I was convinced to take another look at Hirka by your argument. That’s when I made my chart, and that’s when I spotted the ShadowFacts trend in his voting.
In fact you don’t seem to take into account that my default position – which I know is antithetical to how this game should be played – is that everyone is innocent until I get damn good vibes otherwise. So yes, you can find evidence in almost all my posts that I don’t find anything hugely scummy in almost anyone, because until that little switch that says “something’s hinky” turns on in my brain, I assume they’re town, not scum.
What can I say, I’m an arch-liberal who is finding it really, really hard to turn off that ol’ justice system “beyond a reasonable doubt” switch in order to play a game where everyone is presumed guilty first.
I know it’s not how you play Mafia. I know it’s probably not how most people play. But it’s a mindset I just cannot shake, not yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that. Which is why I predicted KellyCriterion and Silver Jan flipping townie, right? Oh wait. I didn’t. Fuck me, I even voted for LightFoot. If I were a brilliant mastermind scum who knows every town person by heart, why on earth did I vote for her, when all it did was make me look like a tool?
Oh God, there’s no point, there’s no point, there’s no point. Why am I responding? You will not believe me until you’ve wasted everyone’s time and vote and killed me, or you’re dead and you get access to the spoiler board. So what’s the point? SHUT. UP. CHOIE.
So you win. No more defense from me.
But I still want that promise, dude. You’re dead certain I’m scum. So promise me that when I die, if I flip townie, you’ll apologize in the De’endee town square and admit that you wasted your energy on me. Since I’m so obviously scum, you won’t have to do it, right? Why so scared to make the vow? Don’t have the courage of your convictions after all? You some kinda yellowbellied chicken? We don’t kinder to those 'round these here parts… 
I just got caught up, let me just say Wow… All this talk about me, and let me just say, there is a pretty good case against me. If I didn’t know 100% that I was town, I would be almost convinced about it. I have been distracted most of this game with RL, and all these tests I’ve been doing, and looking back, I do look wishy-washy… Ok, let me answer some of the questions I saw.
First, day four, when I locked in my vote on Red, I never had a chance to look back at what was going on. I wanted to get my vote in quickly since I was at work. I saw on that one page that Lightfoot got a message, so I just locked my vote on Red, instead of reviewing the case on Septimus. No excuse, I know, but it is what happened.
Second, sorry I haven’t been around. I had my Georgia practical Thursday, now, I’m on vacation. Disney World!!! 
So, I will probably be much more quiet then normal. We just got to a hotel, so have internet for a few before the wife and I go out to dinner.
I’ll be back after dawn.