Really? You posted right at 6:59 to say you’re town?
Bullshit.
Somebody should vig this guy.
A crimson red sun slowly sinks beneath the horizon.
“You know what they say. Red sky at night, Defenders of De’endee’s delight!”
“I’m fairly certain you just made that up.”
The Defenders of De’endee gathered in the center of the town. Suspicious looks had been shared all day, and in the brutal heat, tempers had started to flare. Some of the townspeople began to despair, fearing that the Lords of Slaughter would never be stopped. Even the adventurers, who had arrived in high spirits, began to doubt their cause.
Silver Jan was dragged to the center of town.
“This the one?”
A few nearby adventurers nodded.
Silver Jan struggled against her bonds. “You don’t know what you’re doing! I’m innocent! I swear!”
“The evidence against you is indisputible.”
“Well, I’m disputing it!”
“Enough!” The Mayor of town cried out. “If this creature is a Lord of Slaughter, it has to be killed.”
A dozen spells rained down on Silver Jan. She critically failed her resistance rolls, and crumpled into a heap of ash.
Silver Jan is (more than) dead. She was an NPC Mage and one of the Defenders of De’endee. Night has now fallen, and will last until July 23rd at 6pm central time.
As the adventurers and townspeople walked away from Silver Jan’s corpse, a sharp cry was heard. Weapons drawn, spells at the ready, they rushed to its source. As they rounded the corner, they saw a small boy standing in front of the lower half of a body.
“I just… found this…”
One adventurer stepped forward, peering at the mangled legs.
“Huh. Guess we know where the other half of Scathach is, now.”
Scathach’s remains have been found and identified. She was an NPC townsperson and one of the Defenders of De’endee.
I find myself agreeing. A townie move would have been to vote for self-preservation in the hour leading up to the end of day with a role claim as well. This stinks of machinations.
As promised, a living player list:
- Normal Phase
- Tom Scud
- Askthepizzaguy
- Inner Stickler
- Hirka T’Bawa
- Pedescribe
- Mental Guy
- LightFoot
- TexCat
- Red Skeezix
- Weedy
- Septimus
- Choie
- Gnarlycharlie
- special ed
- ShadowFacts
- Stanislaus
- Suburban Plankton
The folks what died:
[del]14. KellyCriterion[/del]
[del]16. SilverJan[/del]
[del]20. Scathach[/del]
Hah.
I thought Tom Skud was subbed out. I don’t recall seeing him in here recently
How right you are. Missed that one.
Tom Scud was replaced by UCSDiver.
While we’re on the subject of substitutions, I’d like to remind everyone that substitutions are now closed. Per the rules:
As Night 2 has just fallen, no further substitutions will be allowed.
Hey septimus. If you are guilty, do me a favor and kill me tonight.
It will be your last chance to do so. 
Current Fingers of Suspicion:
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**septimus **(last second save is scummy. Last hour save is possibly legitimate and I’ve seen townies do that before. You obviously have a role of some kind and you’re hiding more than just a townie power role IMO)
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Suburban Plankton (Dodging my case on him) / This guy is not the same guy as ShadowFacts, mental note on that.
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I think one or the other of **pedescribe **or ShadowFacts, on review. Not both, I don’t think. This is gut-feeling based and I am not sure I can articulate why. pedescribe’s double-vote on me felt handicapping if he was a lord of slaughter, but it also felt off, like maybe I was hitting too close to home and he thought that he could cover his vote with “Pizza is unpopular anyway” kind of brazenness. ShadowFacts for hanging around near the deadline with his votes on Normal Phase and pedescribe (avoiding responsibility for the lynch but still interested in the outcome) I doubt they’re on a team, but I’d be surprised if neither are scum.
I concur, the * last second* double vote looks Lords of Slaughter-esk and given a goodly portion of the votes upon that candidate were sounding (to me) like good Townspeople ToMorrow he should be brought to task.
Thanks to me ‘gutsy’ * read perhaps very risky* move ToDay ,ToMorrow should give a bit to chew on.*
I’ll be AFK for probably 14 hours (pool night and I try not to type intoxicated) *
I would like more than one response to a little question. Do any Townspeople believe they caught my little crumbs ? ( No need to name names or quote posts at this time= please don’t)
If more than one believes they have I need not make a last minute ‘reveal’ [snicker] with the name of the champion for good that I have thusfar discovered.
My line of thinking is that post or posts can be quoted if I do not survive this Night. ( He or she be not thrown to the evil doers blatently)
I see some of the merit to saying the name outloud but I also see a drawback.
Your* general thoughts may be helpful.
*generic you
And yes. I do realize the evil doers can read too. I’m trying to be somewhat effective here
I’ve been in loads of games as I’m sure many of you have. It’s rare for lynch candidates to not “spare themselves” immediately with their vote when they get a chance, midway through a round. Oh, I’m in the lead? Well, I’ll vote for one of my rivals I think may be scum. This guy will do. Then it’s out in the open. They’re openly saying “No thanks on the lynch, fellas. Let’s kill this other guy instead of me.” Or, they’re away from the action for so long that they can’t even see what happened and they die without a fight.
Less common, a guy sees he’s going to die or likely going to die near the deadline. He immediately spares himself and goes “Not a good idea if I die, folks… I’m just doing this because you’ve forced me to”. And that’s a good ploy for basic townies too, because it piques the interest of the scums and they slaughter him and it was more or less a waste of their time. Mmm bait.
Last minute self-spare, by its very nature, reveals deception. It means that person wasn’t ever going to give anyone a chance to question them about their move. They were never going to get a chance to discuss it. They were never going to give reasons why they shouldn’t die. They are taking it upon themselves to defy the general will of the town, essentially vetoing everyone else, and they’re not explaining why and they don’t give a darn.
On very, very rare occasions have I seen a basic townie do that. That’s either this particular player’s personality at work (Oh Sasaki Kojiro. You were so townie and yet so scummy at the same time) or they had reasons they’d prefer not to reveal to spare themselves.
It’s a BAD move for a townie power role to do this, because the scums will know immediately that it’s probably a good murder. Not only that, but the townies will want to investigate/block said person, or vig them, or lynch them the next day. It’s a horrendous move for a townie, even if it was an attempt to spare a doctor or mason or whoever.
It’s generally a bad idea for a mafioso to do this, but anything is better than dying immediately and picking off a townie is the best way to go out of the game if they’re already doomed. They have teammates; it’s just a matter of maximum damage achieved before their candle is snuffed.
Septimus as townie I find made a huge blunder here. Septimus as scum is a dead man walking. I am somewhat optimistic the guy is guilty as sin now, especially since he STILL hasn’t elaborated on why he decided to snipe Silver Jan away from us at the last minute, instead of before. That’s not coincidental. That’s deception and malevolence.
I hope we do have some good news.
I will look and I won’t repeat, but I definitely have not. I would also be baffled to find myself alive in the morning, so I’m not sure how helpful it is. That’s one of the reasons I’m pointing all my “check up on this guy” fingers NOW, since I expect to be blown to smithereens and unable to point any more fingers soon enough.
Even if Septimus is innocent somehow, I think I will be silenced for framing purposes at the very least. And if town hasn’t lynched me by now, that means I just became murder bait.
A champion for good I would take as a non vanilla role; I’m not sure, it’s a bit of a gamble. Any doc we have cannot defend you both. That should happen only to spare someone from a bad lynch.
You shouldn’t reveal who are innocent unless you have a few of them. Otherwise you’re painting targets on them. If necessary, create a clue-based system and hope someone decodes it.
Also, big hint: With longer days, DO NOT REVEAL a lord of slaughter at the *beginning *of a round. Wait for them to reveal their hand and mess up. Wait to see who finds who scummy, allow discussion to take place. Then reveal the guilty and watch the XP fly on the last day or so. You’ll achieve the same result except you also got more info from the discussion and its more exciting. 
If you survive this night then we probably have a doctor. The issue then is if the LOS have a strongman/person who can break protection, then you’re cooked anyway.
But I would still gamble for more information gathering and not revealing. If it backfires we’ve only lost one name. If we’re good enough, we can find Lords of Slaughter by our wits and give claimed power roles the benefit of the doubt for a round or two before smacking them dead. It’s not a terrible loss, and the gain of gathering intel and not releasing it immediately is a good gamble, in my opinion.
Feel free to override this line of reasoning if you find something particularly necessary for us to know.
I waft my private parts at their aunties. You don’t frighten us with your silly knees-bent last-second running around panic voting behavior.
Another thing for claimed detective roles:
Avoid voting for anyone unless it is near the end of the day. Your votes could reveal who you want dead, and by extension, who you don’t want dead, and WIFOM finger-pointing at your cleared person could result in either a bad townie lynch or the scums getting wise and whacking that guy just to call your bluff.
Knowing the info is good, revealing it only to the scums, or to everyone for no reason too early, is bad.
You may just want to bandwagon the vote leader unless you have reason to do otherwise. WIFOM here is nice, scum picks off NPCs Your vote is less important than the info you hold. Use it sparingly.
Well, I kind of feel spared the need to review septimus at this point.
In fact, my biggest concern about tomorrow is that it’s too much of a foregone conclusion. We will need to actually play the game, not just drift. That, or we hammer quickly and move on, but I’d rather not do that if there’s a chance to get some proper play in.
Lightfoot, I haven’t picked up any breadcrumbs from your posts. In terms of when to tell your results, while I appreciate Pizza’s inclination to gamble I think he’s missed two important wrinkles: the possibilities of a scum roleblocker and a paranoid Doc.
Whether or not there’s actually a Doc, the possibility that there is one will make Scum think twice about killing you. So from that perspective, the gamble on you surviving the night is at least 50/50 (failing to make an NK is a big deal for scum, after all). If they’ve got a roleblocker however, they get to stop you *and *make an NK. And you’d be effectively neutered from this point on, or at least until we find the roleblocker (who could be next scum we lynch - hi septimus! - or the very last one). Equally, there’s the possibility that we do have a Doc who will also block you. That’s tougher, because they have to make a decision each Night about whether to save you or let you work, but it will probably cut down your effectiveness.
If you keep schtum just now, then:
If you’re killed, we lose your N1 name plus all the investigations you would have made from N2 onwards.
If you’re blocked then you can reveal your N1 name come Dawn; then we’ll have to take each Night as it comes and see if you get any more results. Either it’s scum blocking you, in which case you probably won’t get any more names very soon or it’s a Paranoid Doc, in which case it’s down to WIFOM. But the chances of you building up a group of names will be smaller.
If you’re neither blocked nor killed, then you’ll have two names to give us, and we’d probably expect to get a third and maybe fourth before you revealed.
If you give us your result now:
If you’re killed, we get one more name from you than we would have done.
If you’re blocked, there’s essentially no difference. We’d still get the name, and you’d still be hamstrung one way or the other.
If you’re neither blocked nor killed, then we’d have one name out there and you could work on building up a group of confirmed town to reveal later. Except that the person you name would become a scum target, and that would make the presumptive Doc’s job a little harder.
…and having written that out, I see that the risk of blocking doesn’t actually effect whether you should spill a name toNight - you can just tell us in the morning if you are blocked. I’m not going to delete it all and summarise though - people can read it through and check my logic. But I think the decision on whether you give us a name toNight or not is just a question of attitude to risk. Personally, I think just the possibility of a Doc gives you a pretty good chance of avoiding an NK so I’d keep quiet just now.
Crap. Didn’t consider possibility of scum strongman. That is the absolute worst case. But even if you give us the name we’d still only get one confirmed town, who probably wouldn’t survive to the end game.
It’s still about your attitude to risk. We can’t even guess at the odds of there being a particular role, so trust your own judgement.
I personally am going to assume that Septimus will be dead in the morning.
scathach’s reveal as NPC town is excellent in at least three different ways:
– he wasn’t a power role
– since he wasn’t a power role, there’s no reason to believe that anyone else who reacted to Silver Jan’s PM was one (or wasn’t one) either: scum are still shooting in the dark
– since we did get his role (albeit delayed), itchy paranoia along the lines of what I think Hirka pointed out about Lightfoot (could have been scum usurping the town cop role) is eliminated
Make that four ways (I’ll come in again): even if the presumed scum Janitor does get the dead player’s role, it’s only on a slight delay for the rest of us, so any long-term gambits for the scum, based on that knowledge, won’t fly. We should still be on the alert for short-term ones.
It’s worth noting that if Septimus is in fact scum (as opposed to “here’s a stick in your eye” PFK or really bizarre town), then a good line of inquiry tomorrow is probably to see who was pooh-pooh-ing ATPG’s case, and why. I still remember Metallic Squink (scum) attacking the illogical-but-correct case that BillMc built on Meeko in the last game on idlemafia, and winding up lynched for it.
I’m sorry I was not able to get back to the game at end of Day yesterday - I got creamed at work and was wiped by the time I got home late. It’s looking like another monster at work today, and I haven’t had a chance to catch up, so don’t expect to hear much from me until the weekend. If anyone cares.
Askthepizzaguy,
Do you want to know why I didn’t respond to the bulk of your accusations against me? I have some time now, so I’ll tell you.
Despite the fact that I don’t like the way you played the first 2 Days of this game, I believe you are town. Therefore, time spent arguing with you was time that I didn’t have trying to find Scum.
Also, you had locked your votes on Septimus quite early in the Day (they were the first and third votes of the Day, in fact), indicating that you were less than supremely interested in hearing the cases on any of the other 16 players in the game. I know, just because you had voted doesn’t mean you can’t discuss your opinion of other players’ possible guilt or innocence, but your words lose weight (in my opinion) when you are unable to ‘put your money where your mouth is’.
Finally, your entire ‘case’ against me (as expressed in Posts 704 and 708 was built upon the fact that my criticism of you was unfounded; you simply didn’t like what I had to say. You made no attempt to find fault with any of my other actions in the game; if you had, then I would have had something to address and refute.
But now that Night has fallen, the situation has changed a bit, so I’ll oblige you now.
I don’t like your playstyle, as you have shown us so far in this game. You have given people a host of reasons to vote for you, and you have done so willingly and seemingly with pride. You say that you do this in order to make yourself a target for Scum. That may well be, but it also makes you an easy target for Town. Note that I said an ‘easy’ target, and not necessaruily a ‘good’ target. You said, in Post 708,
“The fact that you would include that as a reason to vote someone tells me that you’re more interested in making this a popularity contest than finding scum. You’re already subtly appealing to popularity with your preamble, and now your justification is I rub people the wrong way?”
and
“You think people are incapable of forming a clear opinion on someone because they’re a tempting target?”
These are good points. This game *shouldn’t *be a popularity contest, and peoples’ opinion shouldn’t be colored simply because someone is a ‘tempting target’. But you know what? Things don’t always go the way they should. People don’t always act appropriately. They get irritated, frustrated, just plain old mad. And when they do, they tend to act irrationally. They vote for the ‘loudmouth’, or the ‘controversial player’, just to shut them up, regardless of whether or not they are a ‘good target’.
You have spared no effort to make yourself a ‘tempting target’, and as it’s put people off. Surely you won’t deny that. So far, it had not led to a rash of votes against you, but I am of the opinion that it has made people less likely to listen you what you have to say. That means more noise and less signal from you, which helps the Town not one bit.
I’ll say it again, I believe you are Town. But I think your behavior has been largely anti-Town up to this point. Perhaps it’s all part of your master plan, and everything will become clear down the line. If that’s the case, I’ll acknowledge that when it happens. Perhaps it’s just ‘culture clash’. I don’t know, and it doesn’t really matter at this point. Now, if there’s anything else you’d like to address about my play so far, I’d be interested to hear it.
When does the next Day begin? Saturday?
From the dusk color:
“Night has now fallen, and will last until July 23rd at 6pm central time.”