That game sounds terrifying. 
I’d play.
A micro Mafia game of AtPG, Meeko, and peeker and nobody else. I’d pay real money to see that!
Zimbabwe money that is.
OMG awesome.
A micro game with a twist: no mafia! And maybe some potatoes.
Haha.
Wow, I expected to see more than this when I got on this evening. I guess Pizza is the one keeping the game alive.
I feel conflicted. I think I should vote Red, but really the only reason I feel that way is because of the lack of Night Kill last Night. If not for that I would vote septimus, since of the leading lynch candidates, I feel outside of that lack of Night kill last night, septimus seems the most likely to be scum. His late self-save, his not knowing if he was attacked, and his claim of bullet proof townie that seems safe. It definitely looks like scum have a protector, protected septimus, then manufactured a bullet-proof claim to account for the vig not killing him. I am not sure why they would not have faked a message saying he had been attacked, though.
I have talked myself into it
vote septimus
While I put Shadow at the bottom of this group of three in suspicion, he still needs to demonstrate that he actually has the power that he does. While I would be glad of him to be rid of any extra votes he might have, I am not sure that would actually prove that he was the one with the powers. I would really like to see him send a message to LightFoot. I think that would confirm both that the powers exist and that he is the one that has them.
I only have a few minutes on here tonight, and I am not sure how much I will be able to be on tomorrow, so if anything major happens and I am unable to respond to it, I am sorry. (I am not that worried, though. All the major lynch candidates have already claimed.)
And I meant
Vote septimus
Wow, yeah. That would be cool. We need to get those three and Roosh in a game.
Hmm…I will work on this.
Screw it, we’re close enough to EOD
vote septimus
vote septimus
I wanted him dead after his voting shenanigans and I remain unconvinced of his innocence. Yesterday was too long and everyone let themselves get talked out of his guilt. In my opinion.
As for the other players, I am surprised at choie’s decision to go after Lightfoot, I think Red Skeezix is more likely town than Shadowfacts, but right now I’d rather see septimus lynched and unless something substantial happens in the next Day or so, I think ATPG is town.
I suppose I am a glutton for punishment. Turns out my boss wanted me to stay late, come in early for the evening shift, and then one of our drivers quit and he was the closing driver. So, I spent all night delivering pizzas that were already late, earning not much in the way of tips, and then single-handedly attacking the mountain of mess left behind at the end of day. And I have an early shift tomorrow. And yet here I am with you fine people. I must be enjoying this game.
I’m here, and I’m willing to talk to anyone else who is.
I’m quite distressed by the seeming lack of substantive discussion since I left… this does not bode well.
I’m going to call this one ahead of time: There will be last minute shenanigans unless you pressure the last day gang to take a firm stand on something.
You also have ShadowFacts who may insist on Skeezix in spite of everything, and use his awesome power to make it happen. Certainly if septimus is scum, that plus the scum votes make septimus a hard lynch.
I hate to be a prickly pizzaguy, but please note that the scums are not going to hold back with their secondary vote in a clinch, so when you make your choice on the action, single votes are probably not the way to go. Be decisive. I think a lot of our current predicament is a result of indecisiveness.
Someone plz explain the joke to me.
Double-checking my thinking. Think with me, please.
septimus claims one-time-only bulletproof role.
This role, he claims, can be defeated by an assassin. An assassin which therefore must be in the game if he’s telling the truth about his role PM.
Red Skeezix has claimed that assassin without counter-claim.
Red Skeezix has claimed to have attacked septimus, on a night where the townie doctor, if any, should have and obviously must have been protecting Lightfoot.
septimus should be aware if his one-time-only bulletproof power has been expended or not. He need only ask the game host about it. He *should *have gotten a message about it.
[ul]
[li]Is it possible for both septimus and Red Skeezix to be a townie?[/li][/ul]
If that’s the case, presumably both of them are telling the truth about everything. As such, we have some interesting data points.
1.) septimus not knowing he was attacked or if his one-time-use has been expended.
2.)** Red Skeezix’s claimed attack on septimus failing due to “being protected”**, which does not indicate ROLEBLOCKING which is a different matter. He can ONLY have used up his bulletproof (which he should be aware of) or he must have been protected by someone else.
3.) Any townie doctor should have been protecting Lightfoot. There should be no one else in the game capable of defending septimus, except a scum doctor. ANY SUCH OTHER PERSON IF TOWN SHOULD HAVE CLAIMED BY NOW BECAUSE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF A BAD LYNCH ON SEPTIMUS.
4.) A scum doctor would only exist because of the existence of an assassin. A scum doctor would only be defending his fellow scumbags.
5.) Therefore, the scum team would be aware of the existence of a vigilante before anyone else except the vigilante. Even in the absence of such data in the writeups.
6.) septimus has demonstrated knowledge of that vigilante, and others have expressed opinions on the matter before there was any proof or a claim.
If I take both of their stories at face value, we have critical reasoning failure. This does not add up. And if something existed which could explain it, THEY SHOULD HAVE CLAIMED BY NOW. As such, there is no pro-town explanation for septimus’ existence except a bulletproof role.
[ul]
[li]Is it possible for septimus to be townie?[/li][/ul]
1.) In this case, he’d better be telling the truth about his claim.
2.) But, here’s an issue. Why wouldn’t he be aware his power is gone or not? Further, why would Skeezix claim to have attacked septimus if he did not unless Red Skeezix is scum? Why would Skeezix breadcrumb that he was going to vig septimus if he never had any intention of doing so, even if he were a scumbag, even if it were an outright murder? Why? Why why why? What’s the point of breadcrumbing a murder you never commit?
3.) In order for septimus to have no idea what has happened, he would have needed to have been protected. Protected by a doctor, as a ROLEBLOCKER would have claimed roleblocking Red Skeezix on n2. Therefore, the townie doctor could have done it. But again, the TOWNIE doctor has no motive, because Lightfoot needs protection and septimus evaded a lynch. WHY protect him?
As such, how is it possible for septimus to be townie?
[ul]
[li]Is it possible for Red Skeezix to be townie?[/li][/ul]
1.) He’s been confirmed by ShadowFacts to have the ability to kill, and was busy trying to kill ShadowFacts n3.
2.) septimus claims to know his claimed and not counterclaimed role, the Assassin, is in the game.
3.) Red has breadcrumbed his attack on septimus and talked about vigilantism early on. Therefore, he has the ability to murder and he was planning on murdering septimus, most likely, and he did plan on and attempted to murder ShadowFacts.
4.) A very reasonable explanation exists for all Red’s missing kills; with more or less proof for his missing third kill. He can *only *be guilty scum if he was lying about septimus or his other attempts at hitting.
Aside on Lightfoot being blocked-
We’re pretty sure ShadowFacts didn’t do it, neither did Red Skeezix. ONLY a paranoid townie doctor or a scum roleblocker, or Lightfoot being scum, explains what’s going on.
A paranoid doctor, or even a regular doctor, could confirm that they’ve been protecting Lightfoot, which can plausibly explain a missing Lords of Slaughter kill last night. Or they simply committed non-murder actions all night to try to WIFOM the vigilante which, if he exists, they KNOW he exists.
What does all this mean? And I see others have touched on this already.
Give me an explanation for how septimus could be townie.
Then, give me an explanation for how septimus could be townie, and Red Skeezix could be townie as well.
If there’s a townie explanation for all of this, the town currently possesses this knowledge and merely needs to reveal it and stop two bad lynches, it would be horribly irresponsible if any townie with good reasoning didn’t step forward. But it also would be too little too late by now, because they should have intervened when it was septimus the second time, or Red Skeezix by now.
If there is no townie explanation for all of this, one (or both) of septimus and Red Skeezix are scum. That’s just how it is.
Of those two, based on all available data, which one is it?
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[li]Give me the septimus-as-townie scenario, and explain everything.[/li][li]Give me the Red Skeezix-as-townie scenario, and explain everything.[/li][/ul]
If you cannot do this, then you should be voting for either septimus or Red Skeezix now.
And, if you’re going to pick one, it should be the one whose explanation makes the least sense.
Am I out of line here to say Red Skeezix’ explanation makes the most sense? Why? Tell me why.
I propose several explanations for Red Skeezix as townie.
1.) A doctor protected septimus (instead of Lightfoot?). If so, they must claim to prevent bad lynches. Haven’t done it yet, and as such, I would reject any such claim as being remotely trustworthy. Not bloody likely.
2.) Red Skeezix was roleblocked and then the host lied to him about the nature of his failure. Not bloody likely.
3.) Red Skeezix is just lying for the hell of it, even though it’s going to cost him his life. Not bloody likely.
4.) Okay, so no doc protection, no roleblock, and Red wasn’t lying about the attack. Therefore, Red Skeezix attacked a bulletproof septimus on N2. Which, by the way, happened at the same time that special ed was being murdered by, presumably, the Lords of Slaughter, further indicating that Red Skeezix is not one of them. For this to be true, septimus has to be either lying or unaware that his bulletproof was used up. Red Skeezix’ information seems to indicate either protection or evasion (self-protect).
Is it likely that a townie septimus would be lying here? Not bloody likely.
Is it likely that a townie bulletproof wouldn’t be aware he was attacked and unable to self-protect ever again? Ask the game host, septimus. I think the answer is: Not bloody likely.
So, if he wasn’t using his bulletproof, he was not a one-time bulletproof, he was a forever bulletproof, which means he’s lying, but townie septimus shouldn’t be lying here. If he’s still got his one-time bulletproof, that means he was defended by a doctor. Again, we’ve ruled that out, as it is Not Bloody Likely.
5.) Red Skeezix is telling the truth, and septimus is lying.
This is possible.
Unless you can find a bloody likely other explanation, septimus is scum, septimus must die.
**
If septimus dies and is townie, then it can only be the explanation that Red Skeezix is mafia. Find a townie explanation for all of this, or the previous statement is correct.**
Therefore, lynch septimus, mafia is dead, or lynch septimus, block Skeezix, investigate Pizza for being an idiot, find out he was just an idiot, and lynch Skeezix.
As such, I have guaranteed you a scumbag via the septimus lynch.
Now, can it be argued the other way around? Sure. But why would you go Red Skeezix first?
You have to explain all the holes in the septimus-as-townie theory first.
Septimus before Skeezix, that’s the correct answer.
ShadowFacts, since you’re damned certain it’s Skeezix, I want YOUR rebuttal to this.
Inverted, let’s find explanations for septimus as townie.
1.) It’s only likely the case if septimus has been telling us the truth about everything.
Pertinent questions have already been asked by others and myself, and I’ll add some more.
a) What happens when you level up?
b) Why is a bulletproof a “Paladin”? Don’t you think a Paladin would be a vigilante (or a scumbag)? A MURDERING role? It’s not really a good “fit” for a “bulletproof” role. An “armored knight” or a “ninja” or something that reeks of “self-protect” or “evade” ability would be better. I’m not getting a “paladin” vibe from a bulletproof.
c) Why, if you’re a true one-time bulletproof under suspicion, would you claim it only works once? Why wouldn’t you claim it works forever?
d) Why don’t you know if you **still **have the bulletproof power?
e) **Why would septimus wait until the last minute to switch his vote IF HE IS FREAKING BULLETPROOF???/
AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHH :mad: 
:mad: :mad: I can’t believe I’ve been this stupid. What the heck were you afraid of if you’re BULLETPROOF!?!? CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM, get the lynch off of you, and let the murders on you happen! Claim anything! Claim a vague pro-town role. Claim your role and just don’t say exactly what it does.
“Guys, I hate to say this, but I have a PC role and it’s a rather important one; I am the Paladin. if you let me survive this round I will claim immediately next round exactly what my powers are.”
You weren’t acting like a bulletproof role.
“Guys, I have a PC role; have Lightfoot investigate me every night until you determine my alignment.”
Invites murders, gets the lynch off of you.
Where was I?
Oh yes, I was trying to think of reasons septimus could be townie. So, he has to be telling the truth about everything. Therefore he's got excellent responses to all of these very pertinent questions.
So, what happens if he's telling the truth about everything? Then he was either protected by a doctor, or he's still got the bulletproof power and Red Skeezix is a scumbag liar liar Lord on fire.
I cannot think of any other explanation. Not a one. Can you?
If septimus is innocent, Red has to be guilty, right?
Therefore you'll know that and you can block him tonight and investigate me for being his defense lawyer.
And why am I doing this, at all, if septimus is vulnerable to murder from the Lords of Slaughter, having had his one-time-only bulletproof removed.... why would I do this if it is just going to lose both me and Skeezix, in exchange for one townie's life?
What's MY motive?
What stunt am I trying to pull?
Do you really think I'm a moron? Don't answer that until after septimus and Skeezix are both dead. Let's be fair on me.
I'm just curious. Just curious. What's my motivation? Assuming Red and I are scum, how does this work?
Are you in imminent danger of defeat, and/or losing all your pro-town roles tonight?
Uh..... still havent' found a dead doc, still no dead Lightfoot, still no dead ShadowFacts, still no dead town coroner or whatever, and several NPC townies left.
**What's the winning strategy here? Show me how I'm about to win.**
Maybe IF ShadowFacts was scum with us, and we were about to try to outvote you. But errmm that doesn't seem bloody likely either, does it ShadowFacts, whom I've been trying desperately to kill and nearly succeeded last round? :rolleyes: It must be the bestest WIFOM ever, or the stupidest. :D
Is anyone still listening? [del]Bueller?[/del] Old joke is old.
Refute me, or you can only blame yourselves for the results.waves at Pizza
I needed a sabbatical. I’ll be around later on.
Hi.
I don’t know how much consciousness I got left in me, but if I’m awake, I have this game set to instant email notification and through my yahoo messenger, I know the instant anyone posts.
Therefore, I’ll reply if I’m awake.
I’m trying to wake myself up enough to go walking, so I can’t really read for meaning yet, but:
Well, yes, I do believe I was pointing this out two Days ago. 
It’s the argument in Red’s favor that I’m really going to need to read since he hasn’t graced us with his presence since my questions to him.
Great minds think alike, okay? There’s about 1500 posts in this game, it’s easy to miss stuff.
So you were the first to think of that one, credit where due. I was the first to double-vote lock this guy. Visceral reaction to “kill it”, remember? Nearly cost me my head because people couldn’t *possibly *comprehend it as a townie move? It was very anti-town of me and stuff. Because, you know, Lords of Slaughter really like being unable to move their vote places…
Looks like I might have a fighting chance.
unvote ShadowFacts
vote septimus
Confirming Lock on septimus
@Normal Phase, I haven’t been on in a couple of days and have just skimmed lightly this morning. Could you link to your questions, so I don’t have to hunt for them? Anyone else have outstanding questions for me, please do the same. So when I get back here on lunch, I can make sure everybody gets answered.