Defacing Beautiful Bodies With Tattoos.

You don’t have to like them, or appreciate them, or whatever. It’s the “eeewww, gross!!!” comments. It’s just fucking rude. And it happens in every stupid tattoo thread. C’mon, “defacing beautiful bodies”? “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” as the saying goes.

Seriously?

IOW, we’re all going to get old, and look wrinkled and gross, tattoos or not. Unless you want to spend hours and hours in the gym, or shell out thousands of bucks on plastic surgery, what difference does it make? The whole, “but how will it look when you get old and wrinkly!!!” comment is so stupid.

The story behind John Wall “defacing his beautiful body”.

My bolding.

Is there nothing you have changed your mind about once you decided to try to look at it from the other person’s point of view? I used to be fairly anti-gay growing up in a conservative Mormon home, until I looked at things differently.

My father was very much an Archie Bunker type and hated the idea of women working (despite the fact that my mother worked). I grew up with the believe that a woman’s place was in the home.

Could it be that you really don’t want to look at it differently?

Would you not be unhappy if someone wrote a misogynistic post?

It’s not simply asking a question. It’s the equivalent of asking “Why are women stupid?”

If the title of the OP didn’t include “deface” then perhaps you may have a point, but pretending this is a simple question is disingenuous. People can be expected to defend their choices in life.

I don’t think they’re for me, but you never know. I just haven’t found a reason to tattoo something on my body, but I won’t rule it out one day happening. I think tattoos can look quite nice and be quite touching. I have a few friends who have tattooed the names or symbols of their loved ones that they lost too soon. For other friends, it was a symbol of a milestone in their life, or a trauma or difficult time they had gotten through, or a symbol of their identity. And yet, for others, it was simply the aesthetic value of the tattoo, although even in those cases, there’s usually more of a story behind them than “I thought it looked cool.” But even if it’s just for “it looks cool” reason, I think they are very interesting. This board is really the only place I’ve ever noticed such strong revulsion/opinions to tattoos.

I swear didn’t someone post a thread almost identical to this one, also with the OP posting about an NBA player? I swear even the responding posts are the same.

I had a “get off of my lawn” moment over the weekend when I saw a woman with a number of tattoos at Starbucks. I thought “Either tattoos mean something different to you than they do to me, or you care more about ‘Final Fantasy VII’ than I have ever cared about anything in my entire life.”
But it’s not repulsive or offensive or disturbing, it’s just a choice that I wouldn’t have made. I’m sure that I have made several decisions that she would find equally as baffling.

That being said, I do reserve the look down on those who have really bad tattoos. Just like I would any other fashion victim. :wink:

(Besides, most old people with tattoos look better than old people who’ve had tons of plastic surgery. Rock on with that ink)

My eldest and his wife have admittedly spent over $10,000 on tats. It’s not like they have that sort of money to piss away, and yet they have done it anyway. They did most of it when they were in a swoon over Japan and all things Japanese. I don’t understand the attraction, but it’s not my body and none of my business, because they’re adults. I have more issues with people who look like they fell into someone’s tackle box; yes, I know they do it because they’re being rebels and enjoy annoying people like me. Seems a high price to pay.

And then there’s this charming fellow.

Shrug, people with sometimes-visible tattoos I’ve met lately include:

one of my coworkers (IT consultant, age hovering around 50),
one of the waiters in the cafeteria at work,
a worker in a local furniture store,
what seems to be half the staff of the local IKEA.

They’ve become so common that we’re at the point at which “has some tattoos” simply can’t be taken into account unless they happen to be problematic for other reasons.

Yeah, what’s with the sock?

Is he one of the Red Hot Chili Peppers?

I’ve had inked people tell me (maybe I’d even say ‘nag’ me) that I should get a tattoo, but I concede that’s not the same as saying that un-inked skin is ugly or something.

(My mother, sister and daughter all have tattoos - I have nothing in principle against them - just don’t particularly want one for myself. In truth, I don’t think I could choose a design that I feel I would remain happy with for a lifetime)

That’s not an opinion it’s an incorrect factual statement. I give a fuck about bucketybuck’s opinion on this subject. So your statement is flat out wrong.

One of the Blue Hot Chilli Peppers presumably.

I just don’t get why people feel the need to comment on others’ bodies uninvited, whether the attribute they’re commenting on is chosen or not.

I’ll admit I winced a little internally when a friend got a rather large tattoo a few years back, because it’s so totally not my style and, in my opinion, not very well done, but I wouldn’t dream of telling her that. She likes it, and it’s done. Her body, her call.

What do those who criticise tattoos hope to achieve? For the tattoo wearers to pay a lot of money to have them removed, or just for them to feel a little less happy about the appearance of their own bodies?

Hey, if you ever decide to take the plunge and want an experienced guide, feel free to contact me.

Over the years I’ve had four friends who wanted ink but were intimidated by the whole process (it’s kind of a different world). I acted as their tattoo concierge; helping them pick an artist suiting their style, set up the appointment(s), accompany them, even holding their hand in one case.

Maybe Jim B. could end this controversy and post some nude pics of himself?

:wink:

I don’t have tattoos myself but, as an artist myself (more specifically musician), I have a fascination with them because of the unique form of expression and manner of creation that they bring. Unlike essentially every other form of art, the human body is the medium, and well designed and executed tattoos by a master tattoo artist working in collaboration with the person who will wear it can be awe inspiring to look at, because it often has a deeply personal meaning to both the artist and the wearer, it accentuates or contrasts the human form, and it’s a way of having a permanent mark, for personal, for public, or somewhere in between.

Sure, like with any art, there’s taste involved. I’ve seen some people who have tattoos and I think they look amazing, they fit their personality, and when I’ve learned the stories behind them, they can even be moving. Other times, I see tattoos that are poorly executed, don’t really have that connection, or place in ways I don’t find pleasing. That’s fine too, it’s my opinion, and for pretty much any art, there’s going to be people that either don’t like it or don’t get it.

But ultimately, what’s defacing to you is beautiful to others. Look at other forms of body modification in other cultures, or even in more extreme parts of western culture. People do scarring, they “stretch” their necks, they elongate their ear lobes or lips. Some of that is considered odd or even repulsive to large sections of the population but can be considered extremely beautiful in their own cultures. Hell, even fairly tame common things like ear piercing, hair coloring, or even things like hair cuts/removal that most people don’t even bat an eye at in our culture are considered unattractive by some people. There’s no accounting for taste and no one says you have to like it.

But even when I find a particular tattoo or body modification particularly unattractive, my opinion doesn’t matter as long as the person who got it is happy with it. Sometimes their ideas or tastes change and something they once liked they don’t anymore, or it was just poorly done, and at that point I more just feel bad for them that they went through that process and didn’t get what they wanted. Beyond that, I even have a certain amount of respect for people who make permanent, particularly visible, modifications to their body that can set them as outcasts. Sure, sometimes in music or sports or art or whatever it’s sort of par for the course, but even moreso when someone is aware it can have an effect on their ability to get a job, a date, or even affect some everyday interactions.

And even speaking for myself, as someone who passionately loves extreme music, I get it. There’s TONS of stuff that I could weep at the beauty of listening to, others might say “what is this drek?” Some would describe some of that music, so very near and dear to my heart, as the audial equivalent of defacing music. For some people, they’re just not that into music at all, so extreme forms are particularly odd to them. For others, it’s just not a genre or style that appeals to them. And yet for others, maybe they just don’t “get it”, whatever that means in context. But ultimately, it’s all opinion and appreciation of art, so there’s no essential right or wrong outside of the obnoxious “you don’t REALLY like that, do you?” akin to “you’re just rebelling” or similar projection of nonsense when someone doesn’t appreciate someone else’s art.

So, I guess, TLDR, to each his own, no accounting for taste, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, whatever.

One thing that influences how I feel about tattoos is if their placement on the body is artistic and aesthetically pleasing. Sometimes tattoos seem randomly placed, and at first glance seem more like blemishes. Regardless of the image or it’s meaning, I may find not find the tattoo pleasing because of its placement. It would be like hanging a picture crooked on an odd place on the wall.

So a small tattoo behind the ear looks good, but the same tattoo on the upper inner bicep might look odd to me. Miley Cyrus’s tattoos often are like this. It seem like many are placed in just an available spot on her body and they don’t seem to flow in a pleasing way (to me, anyway).

I got one last May, after thinking about it for nearly eight years.

It’s on my left shoulder, a pink butterfly (for surviving breast cancer) on sprigs of ivy (because I love ivy, if you couldn’t tell.)

The only time you can really see it out in public is when I’m at the gym, because I usually wear racer back tees. I love the design and I love the art. If I’m wearing a tank top you can see the edge of it.

If you’re offended, don’t look at it. I didn’t get it for you.

Now, this guy has gone over the top, IMHO.

Uhm, sure they can.

I don’t have a tattoo, neither does my wife. Two of my 3 kids have tattoos, the third is currently considering getting one. My feelings on all of this? Know the risks so they can be minimized, understand the possible implications of visible tattoos (diminishing, but still extant), and if you’re going to get it done then get it done well. Otherwise, meh.

OTOH, I have had some very interesting conversations that started with me saying “Wow, that’s a very nice/well done/interesting tattoo!”.

:smiley: “You can learn a lot from Lydia!”