Is there some particular aspect of the word “sure” in my last post I need to explain better?
2). You are going with "people dont wear adornment at home because “‘that shit runs’”? You think the key reason people don’t wear makeup or high heels or sexy clothes when alone at home is that the tasks they are undertaking will create an inordinate risk to their property as compared to the risks faced when out with others? Seriously?
Specific adornment while doing specific tasks. I know quite a few women who do wear pantyhose (or, in your word, “adornment”) around the house… but not while cooking, cleaning or dealing with a toddler. Any of which is, yes, riskier than walking down the street, doing the shopping or being in an office.
And if you’re always this obtuse in your conversations about clothing, small wonder the women eventually give up.
You have amply proven that your previous statement is incorrect.
You stated that “I am repulsed by tattoos. I can’t help the way I feel.”
Two points here. First, you again demonstrate what you WANT to hate them. Fine, whatever, just own your opinions instead of giving this weaselly excuse.
Second, being repulsed by all tattoos is funny. It must make going to the beach a bitch.
Bullshit. Words are important. Words have meanings and there is a world of difference between the two.
Bullshit. The use of “defacing” is deliberately poisoning the well. Surely you know the term, which is why this argument is disingenuous.
In your earlier post, you suggested that people who disagree should just shut up. “Move on” I believe is the term you use.
Sorry, you don’t get a privileged position to spout out your hatred without getting flack for it. You don’t want to get pushback for your position? Ain’t gonna happen when you charge into something where other people in the world besides you have an opinion.
I know that people might not wear some particular thing at some particular time due to some particularly demanding task. Leaving those specific cases aside, and being more general, do you seriously contend that is the key reason people would not wear adornment when home alone? Do people wear a push up bra and low top when browsing the internet alone (with no webcam)? Do people wear makeup while gardening alone and unobserved? Do people wear high heels when doing general non-heel damaging things about the home alone?
I’m using “adornment” because it saves me having to type high heels/makeup/sexy clothes etc" all the damn time. If you can think of a better word I’ll go with it.
How so? All she’s saying is that she is not obliged to try to change her opinion. That is a long way from saying she wants to have a negative opinion. As always on this topic, people seem desperate to find some way to see people whose aesthetic does not extend to liking tattoos as suffering some form of moral failure.
To be fair, the OP was hardly purporting to have anything other than a rabidly negative opinion of tattoos. It’s not as if they were pretending to be undecided while actually already holding a firm view, which is the usual background to poisoning the well. It’s a bit hard to hang charges on the OP that he was being deceptive.
Talking of poisoning the well… Why did you say Rushgeekgirl suggested those who disagree should just shut up, particularly when as you acknowledge in your very next sentence, that’s not what she said? What she actually said was:
In other words instead of getting all butthurt that some people don’t like tattoos, and if one doesn’t want to repeat oneself about why one likes them, just move on. Sounds fair to me, and is certainly not telling anyone to shut up. It’s just a statement of the obvious ie that tilting at windmills for no reason will get you nowhere, so maybe you should stop for your own sake?
There’s definitely a high level of defensiveness about this topic. Generally around here we would consider it pissweak to criticise someone merely for having a particular aesthetic opinion. But some people seem to get so worked up about posters who say “personally I think tattoos look bad” (a purely aesthetic opinion) that they feel the need to transmogrify that statement of opinion into something else, so they have a strawman to punch.
The classic transmogrification (well demonstrated in this thread) is to subvert “personally I think tattoos look bad” into “I am offended by tattoos”. The former is an unassailable statement of aesthetic opinion, but the latter is an assailable implication that tattoos have a negative effect on the offended person. The latter is probably not justifiable and can thus be attacked.
I don’t think tattoos look good. I have virtually never seen a tattoo that I thought made the person in question look better to me than they would have looked without the tattoo. I know you don’t care about my opinion. NB however:
I am not and have not said I am offended by tattoos
I have not suggested and never would suggest that any consequences at all should flow to anyone as a result of my opinion.
Attempts to strawman me (as has occurred to others earlier in this thread) as holding the latter views say more about touchiness of certain people about this topic than about reality.
I would not mention to any traditional polynesian person that they are defacing their beautiful bodies by tattooing them. At least not if I didn’t want, at the very least, some extremely dirty looks directed at me.
(Interestingly, it seems that the word “tattoo” itself was brought into English courtesy of the members of Captain Cook’s expeditions. It might be the origin of the association of tattoos with sailors, as well – several members of Captain Cook’s crew, including his botanist and “science officer” Sir Joseph Banks, got tatoos in Polynesia).
Not to say that tattooing was unknown in the Old World before Captain Cook’s travels – There are some Scythian mummies that still sport rather impressive tattoos, for instance the following, which is from the mummy of a Scythian chief dating from more than 2500 years ago:
As an addition to my previous message - of course, there are some religious traditions (Judaism and Shia Islam are the ones that come into my mind right now) where getting a tattoo is highly frowned upon.
And, of course, tattoos have been used in the past for degrading purposes (like inmate numbers being tattooed on the arms of the prisoners of German concentration camps, or a big “D” being tattooed on the skin of deserters from the British military a couple centuries back).
However, in my opinion it is not possible to categorically say that tattooing is a defacing of anybody’s body. At most, that would be one person’s particular opinion. There are many cultural traditions where tatooing was (and is!) an extremely important marker of who somebody is when growing up. And, in our modern highly-connected world, it is not out of the realm of possibility that one would end up interacting with people from those traditions
I rather like tatoos. But on the other hand, I’m actively repulsed by some body modifications. I’m not sure why other people couldn’t feel the same kind of repulsion wrt tatoos. And I’m not sure why someone would be so bothered by what someone else feels/thinks when seeing a tatoo.
I would expect this kind of sentence in a thread discussing a real, serious, issue like racism or somesuch. But disliking tatoos?
In my opinion, tattoo opinions are somewhat age-related. When I was young, tats were for bikers and Marines (and my one uber-naughty female friend lol). So sometimes it’s still jarring nowadays to see young girls covered in ink.
I recall a discussion on another forum a few years back where some older guy was furious, utterly humiliated and contemplating divorce because his wife had gotten an ankle tattoo. He felt strongly that he could no longer hold his head up in town because her ankle tattoo signaled to every guy around that she was loose!
I got a tat near a private place to surprise my husband years ago and I think he was actually a bit horrified haha. I also have tattooed on eyeliner, eyebrows and lips but I am not sure if that really counts. Most people wouldn’t know I have any tats. One thing I have noticed is the tats for women have become much larger. A couple of decades ago we’d get a tiny butterfly or flower or something but now, wow. I don’t care for that too much, myself although I do kinda like the cheetah marks, if anyone knows what I mean.
One more observation, it seems to me that tattoos have also lost the “outlaw” connotation they used to have. I’ve met many people who were inked up and pierced up and pretty well straight, which surprises me a bit.
Heh. The other day I was watching a music video featuring a scantily-clad female hard rock singer. One of the comments said something like, “Apparently, the new rock rebelliousness is to have no visible tattoos.”