Democrats, you go to hell, you go to hell and you die!!!!

SPOOFE, I think yer being just a tad misleading with this comment. Sure you haven’t mentioned your political affiliation in this thread, but I’ve been following/participating in several of the recent election-related threads, and it’s pretty clear where your leanings are. My favorite comment of yours, in responding to a post about Bush in another thread (I closed my second window and can’t find it now) that you considered (and probably was) a lie. To paraphrase, you said “It looks like Gore’s mental defects are spreading.” harcore’s been around this board a long time, and it’s a fair assumption that he/she reads your posts as well and can figure out where you stand.

As for the “party of hate” debate, from my own personal experience, Dems tend to respond to an election loss with despair - “now that Reagan’s prez/Newt’s speaker, we’re all going to lose our rights and the streets are going to be covered with starving children.” Reps tend to respond with hatred of the victorious Dem - remember the “Impeach Hilary” bumper stickers that appeared right after the '92 election (before any of the crap of the past 8 years occured), or the disturbingly widespread (and undenounced by more moderate GOP leaders) accusations that Hilary was a witch and a lesbian.
Both responses tend to be wrongheaded. To my mind, the typical GOPer’s response is less appealing. In fact, this is the reason I am still registered Democratic even though I agree with more of the GOP’s policies than the Dem’s policies. As I tell my friends, I’d rather be associated with Jesse Jackson instead of Jesse Helms.
Sua

Bush isn’t, nor was he at the time of 12:36 AM (my time), “the clear winner”. This is clarified by the OP:

That’s the second time I said that. Maybe I’ll say it a third time:

They say repetition helps people learn better.

And I noted that “incidents like this” are a very, very poor reason to stereotype a huge category of people. I thought “Democrats” were free of such hateful prejudices… (yes, I am aware that is another stereotype, added for irony’s sake).

Hell, I can pick out the various insults hurled by me towards you. In fact, I’ll hurl a few more, you mass of gelatinous enema deposit. Your job is to tell me how it was “hateful”. And remember, “hateful” is defined as such:

  1. odious; exciting great dislike, aversion, or disgust.
  2. malignant; malevolent; as, hateful eyes

Note that what you describe as “hateful” is really more along the lines of “you said something stupid and got called on it.” You see, I hate Britney Spears. I hate getting kicked in the balls. I hate being twenty pounds overweight. I don’t hate someone based on what they say in a single thread on a message board. That would be very, very petty. That would be very, very immature. That would be very, very stupid.

Understand now, me bucko? Good. Now pour yourself a glass of eggnog (it’s the season, you know), and cross your fingers that the election turns out all right.

But don’t you see? I suspect some really die-hard Dems already feel like they’re IN hell.

You get your wish after all! ungracious though it may have been!

Here, have some M & Ms everyone. Let’s kiss and make up. We better have a lot more of that going on in the next few years, or we’re gonna have a bear of a time getting legislation passed…

The OP was posted at 2:36 am central time. Bush had just been declared the winner as of approximately 2:00 am central time. It was later retracted, but at the time of my post (2:42 am central), Gore was warming up his concession speech.

Maybe you really can’t read

Then I suggest you repeat 1st grade to learn how to read and tell time.

I think it is quite obvious where the insults and hatred emanate.

I described as hateful the phrase “Democrats, you go to hell, you go to hell and you die!!!”, especially when the Democrats had evidently just lost the White House. Apparently, that sort of speech is second nature to you, and requires no justification. It is only when I note how poorly this reflects on Republicans that you take umbrage.

Yeah. You are the epitome of kindness and fair play.

Not to toss kerosene on the fire–because there’s plenty of heat without light anyway–but stupid categorization by politcal affiliation is ugly, not to mention stupid.

Then again, I’m a moderate who tends to get shot by all sides.

I loathe what the Party of Lincoln has done to itself and the formerly principled stance of conservatism. But Dems have corrupted liberalism, too. Neither are very pretty choices right now.

I supported Gore because Bush is frankly unqualified; a helluva nice guy, but a light weight. (Nader played spoiler out of ego; Buchanan should have been euthanized years ago.)

It’s tempting to cry, “a pox on all your houses!” but the whole shebang is democracy in action, albeit in a noisy, vulgar fashion.

Sorry, folks, but we have a new president elect. He’s just an executive who serves us, God help him.

I didn’t vote for him, but enough other people did, so that deserves my respect. And personally, I pity him from the bottom of my heart. Just look at this thread: an enormous, pitiless weight just got landed on his shoulders. (By his wish and seeking, but still…)

The issues are big enough that he–and we–deserve the best we can in the way of reason.

Bored and disgusted by comfy political categories,
Veb

And it was posted at 12:36 Pacific Time. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the vB software provides customized settings based on the settings you put in your profile. You DO know what “cookies” are, right?

Anyway, in your ignorance you ignored completely what I will now repeat for a fourth time:

(Emphasis mine). I will not repeat it again. But I will clarify for the mentally challenged dumbshit that you act like: Farmer, when he posted the OP, did not know what the vote count was, did not know that Bush was temporarily declared the winner, and thus was not being an “ungracious winner”.

What’s more insulting… being a petty, small-minded sore loser who stereotypes a huge demographic based on the actions of one, or calling said person names?

You, sir, need to examine yourself before you start tossing words like “hatred” around nonchalantly. As Inigo Montoya once said, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

I asked you what you found hateful in what I said. If you weren’t so blinded by your fanatical dislike for everyone that disagrees with you, you’d notice that I did not write the OP. So, I challenge you again, what did I say that was hateful? (I don’t know why I even ask… I know that he’s going to grasp at straws and claim that me calling him “enema deposit” and the like qualifies as “hateful”, but I have hope for his salvation from ignorance… I believe he’ll do the right thing and admit that I DIDN’T say anything hateful in this thread).

You truly are an idiot. Show me a single quote of mine that even remotely seems as if I agreed with the OP. You can’t do it, as I already pointed out that I don’t agree with the OP.

To the OP only…I’m sure we all will…die that is…as will you one day. Go to hell…probably because everyone knows that you Republicans have God and the moral high road on your side. At least that’s what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson used to say. I’m just wondering what you guys will do when you find out that there is no God or hell for that matter. Well maybe there is… maybe hell is Palm Beach County and we’re all doomed to stand in line at the poll confused for eternity. Wouldn’t that be a kick, we die, go to the polls and have to spend forever as Libertarians!

Needs2know

Why is it better to be democrat than republican? I heard a guy on the radio say he’s more about “letting me do my thing and letting other people do their thing”. But that’s not the democrat way, dem’s want to steal people’s money and start huge grossly over-funded social programs populated by lazy people who can’t get any other job than within a government agency. Your tax dollars hard at work.

Why is it better to be republican? My father says the republicans are about smaller government. But passing legislation that interferes with the everyday lives and available choices people have is not smaller government. Endorsing one particular religion is not smaller government.

Which party represents the people who want smaller, non-interfering government that wants to let the people start their own programs and help each other by staying out of our everyday lives?

That’s the party I belong to.

Sure, Beezlebubba, no bias on YOUR part.

:rolleyes:

Maybe because it’s not always lazy stupid people on welfare (nice stereotyping, btw!) and not always that Republicans are for “smaller government”…please.
Yeah, the Republicans “trust” the people…yet why won’t they trust women to make decisions about their own bodies?

Give me a break!

You belong to the mindless party? What a shock.

You claim that Democrats don’t think for themselves and then in your second paragraph, you have the statement my father says… Do some research, see how things have been in this country for the past 40 years, and start thinking for yourself.

Did I mention welfare or the recipients thereof? I said the people who were EMPLOYED in government jobs. Ever held a government job? You’d be amazed at how many completely useless and redundant sacks of meat are taking a nap all day behind their computer monitor collecting a paycheck made of some one else’s tax dollars.

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Actually, if I’m not mistaken, that is…EXACTLY THE FUCKIN POINT I WAS MAKING.

But thanks for actually taking the time to read my post and respond intelligently. Makes me feel good that you’re out there paying attention to things and not basing your thoughts on knee-jerk reactions to a percieved position.
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I guess you’re just in a hurry to make snap decisions without thinking. Much like those people in FL who “accidentally” voted for the wrong person because they couldn’t take the time to read the card, even though they were choosing the next president of the united states.

You may consider your break given.

Of course, they were in too much of a hurry to read the ballot…uh huh…
Obviously, you haven’t been paying attention either!

I appologize for misreading the part about about Republicans…that said, you’re still acting like an ass.

SPOOFE:

I want to address some of your previously misguided rantings, just in case someone was fooled into thinking that the words you put in my mouth actually came from me.

First you claimed:

I challenge you to support this with anything besides your imagination.

The use of the quotes implies I said this. Produce anything remotely resembling it

Now to your latest regurgitation:

SPOOFE, you are really grasping at straws here. Do you really think he didn’t know Bush had been declared the winner when the whole world knew?? When he said “It’s about time we got a republican in office, oh yeah, and the House too!!!”, are you so desperate as to claim he didn’t think Bush had won, or at the very least that the outcome was inevitable???

You seem somehow fixated on the fact that he mentioned all the votes had not yet been counted. Here’s a little factoid for ya – winners are declared and losers concede long before all the votes are in. And the whole point is irrelevant anyway. The speech was full of hate regardless. How can you possibly defend the guy?

I am not quite sure where you think I labeled something from you as hateful, but now you’re truly splitting hairs. Launching an endless tirade of insults isn’t indicative of someone who is full of hate?? Merriam-Webster’s defines hate as “intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury”. So tell me, in SPOOFE’s FantasyLand, how bad do the insults have to be before they demonstrate hostility?

I’ll try one more time to explain it, but I don’t expect you will stop foaming at the mouth long enough to comprehend it.

I didn’t create the stereotype. I am not claiming that all Republicans are like this guy, though obviously you have some issues. I am asserting that actions such as this reflect poorly on Republicans. You may not like that, but it does. Much as when some brain-dead fundamentalist starts spouting invectives towards homosexuals, it causes people to view fundamentalists with disdain, particularly if they use words like “we”, trying to imply group representation.

Now my mother and father have both been Republicans as far back as I can remember. My grandparents were Pentecostal preachers; thus, they were fundamentalists. I don’t like it when someone promotes either stereotype. Therefore, I am trying to challenge this idiot and cause him to change his behavior. You find it more important to insult me for doing so, thereby implicitly endorsing his behavior. This is the Pit – feel free to sink to whatever level you find most comfortable. I, however, have lost all respect I once held for you. I’m sure you really care.

Feel free to hurl more endless insults in my direction, demonstrating your superior logic whilst doing so.

Sure. How’s this… in response to the OP, you said:

Seeing as how no other posts had been made to this thread, and seeing as how you provided no other examples to back up your point, the only thing you could have possibly been referring to was the OP. You made no other comment, you made no clarification, you made a very broad and extremely open-ended post. The impression you gave can be explained thus:

“Because of comment A, B must be true.”

Where A = the OP, and B = your response to the OP.

Gladly. Here: In response to my first post to this thread (too long to quote in its’ entirety) which showed the fallacy in your reasoning, you said:

Your original point was “Republicans are considered hateful.” Saying that I was “proving your point” implies that I am “one of them”, which cannot be further from the truth.

Now, I would like to point out that I’ve challenged you to produce quotes about things that I’ve said. You’ve been unable to do so. Based on this, I conclude that you are a hypocrite. Start putting your money where your mouth is, you fucking dumbshit.

What I think is beside the point. What YOU think is also beside the point. The fact remains that Farmer claimed that he DID NOT KNOW who was assumed the “winner” when he made his OP. And the fact remains that YOU HAVE NO PROOF TO THE CONTRARY. Until you have proof, I suggest you cease pursuing this line of argument.

An “endless tirade”? I suggest you look up the word “endless” (and “tirade”, for that matter). Out of a total of eight posts to this thread, I “launched” a grand total of TWO (three if you count the above example) in your direction. But I’ll be fair: I challenge you to find four quotes of mine in this thread that are insulting (again, not counting this post). You can’t do it without defining “insult” so broadly that you yourself would be considered to be “insulting” (and, by your logic, thusly “hateful”) by claiming that Republicans are considered hateful themselves.

Also, keep in mind that it wasn’t until my fourth post (if you want to be picky, my third, as one of those posts was a short question for clarification) that I posted anything more hateful than “Your statement is erroneous”.

There is a difference between “hostility” and “hate”, as I’ve already explained. I am hostile towards you because you are acting like an ignorant, small-minded bigot. I do not HATE you, nor anyone, based on what they post on a message board. Now, I challenge you to provide evidence to the contrary.

Who did (aside from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Rosie O’Donnell)? Please provide a cite or two, in the sake of fighting ignorance.

It sure as hell looks like you did. Do you deny that you said…

…AND NOTHING ELSE in response to the OP? If you did not want to provide such a misconstruement, you should not have posted such a very generalized statement.

You truly are ignorant, or perhaps selectively illiterate. I’ve already stated twice in this thread that I disagree with the OP. You obviously follow the notion of “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.” Truth be told, I believe Ankh_Too said it best:

That’s all that needed to be said to address Farmer’s raging OP. If he had come back to the thread and continued with his ravings, I would have flamed him far more than the tiny singings that YOU got.

The fact that you continue spouting bullshit, even in face of the fact that you’ve provided no evidence (even though you’ve been challenged to do so before) shows to me that your ignorance needs more addressing than a very short, very biased rant that was most likely based on temporary frustration.

So, Mr. Hardcore, what’s next? Gonna accuse me of being a child molestor and rapist because I haven’t openly stated my disagreements with THEIR actions yet?

(Note to anyone else who reads this: I know he’s going to take that last paragraph and say “See? See? You’re hateful! You’re hateful!” a dozen times more)

“You go to hell and you die!!!” I won’t remark on the intellect of someone who uses “!!!”, but I have to ask - go to hell, then die? At least try to get the order right.

Thanks, Gary… another reason why I didn’t bother to comment on the OP :smiley:

Diddly, you go to hell and you die…

…oh, i forgot

!!!

SPOOFE, I don’t know why I persist in trying to get through to you. It is like banging my head on the brick wall of your illogic. You either intentionally or ignorantly keep misrepresenting my position. Perhaps you could innocently misinterpret what I said at first, but after repeated clarifications, you still keep insisting I meant something that I didn’t.

When I challenged you to support that I concluded all Republicans were hateful, you replied:

Which I am parsing as “Because of comment (the OP), Republicans are considered the party of hate”. This is so blatantly false that you must mean “Because of comments LIKE the OP, Republicans are considered the party of hate”, which is part of what I said, though I added my main point that Farmer was not winning graciously. Getting from there to the point that I concluded all Republicans were hateful requires several leaps of fallacious reasoning. Even so, I mistakenly thought you would understand what I meant after I explained. Not SPOOFE – you continue to insist that you psychically know what I intended better than I.

At least here you admit that my statement was they are “considered” hateful, not “are” hateful. But again, as stated previously, my point was Farmer was not winning graciously. Perhaps by stating you were not doing so either, I erroneously labeled you as a Republican. Getting from that to a label of “hate-filled” Republican requires a mistaken assumption on your part that I think all Republicans are hate-filled. Continuing to make this mistake implies either willful ignorance, or that you can’t read.

Concerning “winning graciously”

What I think is most definitely the point. I maintain his statement of “It’s about time we got a republican in office” means he thought, as I did, that Bush had won, especially given the time of the post. This explains why I chided him for not winning graciously. But of course psychic SPOOFE knows for a fact otherwise, so you also put words in his mouth that he did not say.

You keep doing this, but when I don’t want to repost them because I find them distasteful you claim hypocrisy and spew more shit. In the hope that you will at least drop this issue I offer:

Perhaps “endless tirade” is an exaggeration. I perfer to think of it as poetic license. I’m sure I can be forgiven in response to your prose.

Concerning the Republican stereotype I supposedly invented:

I provide just a few, in the interest of the often overloaded SDMB server:

“I’m tired of the right wing extremists defining the Republican Party as a bigoted hateful intolerant party.”
http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/repub.htm

“And we all know who the masters of hate are: the hard core Republican right wing. These lunatics spew out hate the way an open sewer spews out raw sewage.”
http://www.thepornographyofpower.com/tom31.html

“Republicans are the party of hate.”
http://www.concentric.net/~Tycho4/Diffs.htm

Speaking of Reagan:
“He pandered to the anti-gay bigots who’ve made the Republicans the party of hate, but employed openly gay people on his and his wife’s staff.”
http://www.weeklywire.com/filmvault/tw/j/jawbreaker1.html

Obviously there are many more examples of this, all of them misguided. But of course you will ignore them, and continue to state a dozen more times that I think all Republicans are hateful.

I assume you are referring to your morbid curiousity of your own vituperation when you speak of a challenge to provide evidence. If not, let me know.

I challenge you to produce ONE quote from you where you said you disagreed with the OP. In post 7 you *claimed * to have previously stated this, but you have never actually done so. But you are well versed at falsely accusing people of saying something they haven’t – I guess it follows that you would do so for yourself.

What a shock…another stupid prick who refuses to actually read the post instead of making a knee-jerk judgement based on a flawed perception. As I was not “for” the democrats in the first paragraph, I must be “for” the republicans in the second, is that it?

Which of us has the inability to think? You couldn’t make it through one whole post without your attention wandering. If, when you have fully read my post, you find you are able to comment intelligently on it, please feel free.

Until then, fuck off, illiterate twit.

That is all.

You’re telling me that, given 3 minutes (which is pure speculation, I heard it from some one else), that ballot was too confusing to figure out? I looked at it, and it was instantaneously clear to me what hole to punch for which candidate. If they had stopped to think about what they were doing and actually read the card instead of making blind assumptions about what lines up where, they couldn’t have figured it out?

When you’re choosing the president, it always pays to actually read the card you’ve been given, don’t you think?

Are you allowed to apologize in the Pit?
And what makes you think I’m acting? :wink:

I’m not really an ass, but I play one on SDMB