Count me in as someone who finds it slightly hypocritical for folks to be criticising Der Trihs for wishing death on American troops while at the same time (implicitly) wishing physical violence be inflicted on him.
I said that something else is a problem. It’s a problem for the admins who set up a messageboard in a particular way and who wish to maintain an internal consistency (which currently exists, even if you have trouble seeing it). “PC speech,” as you called it, is not in general a problem in private situations. I hope this helps with your confusion!
Daniel
Not really. But then, I’m sure you’re right and I just “have trouble seeing it”.
Someone wishes death on me and my colleagues and the finest people I’ve known. I wish he’d spout off his opinions in public around people like me. What’s so hard to understand? Maybe a better way to phrase it would be, “I wish I could reach through the internet and communicate with Der Trish in a kinesthetic way.”
Well, it is just the sort of moral equivalence you seek to draw here that many—I—find so revolting. If the insurgents were attacking troops only, you might be able to make the point you attempt to. But that is sadly not the case. If you do not see a striking difference in kind between troops killing people who insist on violence and those very people intentionally killing innocent men, women, and children, I’d suggest that you should focus more analysis in that area. Even when the actions of our troops unintentionally and inadvertently result in the death of innocents, the moral statements made are world’s apart.
Given his experiences of being disliked and bullied, pergaps he would find himself being hated less. Less hate directed at him > he feels better about himself > he is less angry and spews less shit > he becomes less hated > he feels less hated > he feels better about himself > repeat. Maybe not such a bad idea.
He said he’d rather US troops died than the people of Iraq. Fuck it, I can agree with the sentiment. I’d rather coallition troops were out of there and no-one was getting killed, no question. However if that’s not an option, I think seeing as we’re the ones who invaded them, I don’t see why it’s better for Iraqis to die than our troops.
If that offends you to the point you’re driven to violence, that’s too bad. Have a look at the relative level of Iraqi casualties to US/UK, and then tell me why that’s right?
Unfortunately, there’s numerous incidents to demonstrate that the insurgents aren’t the only ones to be playing fast and loose with Iraqi civilians.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13459928/
Trying to claim that the coalition has moral superiority is frankly laughable.
Can you show me a post of someone who has said he wishes all the “insurgents” in Iraq were dead?
For me, it goes way beyond his wishing death on US Soldiers. He spreads ignorance like no one else around here. He shits all over anyone who hold religious beliefs and is constantly making absurd insinuations about US public officials-- that they torture for the fun of it… that type of stuff. He’s a vile, unthinking, idiot.
You agree that all armed services members in Iraq are murdering scum and deserve to die, yet pretend moral superiority over one “driven to violence?”
It isn’t right that so many Iraqis have died. It isn’t right that we are there in the first place. It does not follow that all armed service members are murdering scum who deserve to die, and claiming so is stupid beyond belief.
Well fuck me sideways, I thought it might be at least a couple more posts before someone tried misquoting as a tactic, but clearly I’m too optimistic.
Tell you what, how about you quote the part where I “agree that all armed services members in Iraq are murdering scum and deserve to die”, there’s a good orifice.
Yes, it happens. And when it does it’s called things like “murder”. And people are held accountable and removed from duty and then punished. What happens when the other side chops off someone’s head or blows up a school full of children? They get lionized among there own. Maybe you can point to an example of one of the insurgents being locked up or kicked out of the group because he was too violent or murderous.
To not either see or acknowledge that makes you no better than Der Shit himself.
Oh, and nice try with “numerous”.
You agree with Der Trihs’ sentiment. That is precisely his sentiment.
Sweet cocking christ, you’re trying to insult someone by changing their screen name from Der Shirt to Der Shit? Please tell me you felt embarrased about that level of playground retort upon hitting the submit key.
As for nice try with numerous, care to explain what the problem is with it’s usage? You don’t agree there’s been a number of such incidents?
Pathetic. Just snivellingly pathetic. In case you struggle to find the post you refer to, perhaps a whole twenty lines of text above yours, let me remind you:
“He said he’d rather US troops died than the people of Iraq. Fuck it, I can agree with the sentiment. I’d rather coallition troops were out of there and no-one was getting killed, no question. However if that’s not an option, I think seeing as we’re the ones who invaded them, I don’t see why it’s better for Iraqis to die than our troops.”
Try a little bit fucking harder next time.
You are ignoring ‘collateral damage’ that arises from deciding military gains outweigh civilian casualties and generally putting our own soldier’s lives above those of the people you are meant to be helping as the safety first approach of US troops mandates. ‘Collateral damage’ aren’t magic words that wipe away the blood on our hands. It’s weasel words for not caring enough to check properly in the case of bombed wedding parties or caring more about military objectives when shelling a city.
And the coalition share in the responsibility for every death resulting from the situation we created. Which is not to excuse the murdering bastards waging their own civil war (any and all involved with ethnic cleansing and civilian attacks I happily wish dead).
In the end I hold Bush and Blair as ultimately responsible as they wilfully lied our countries into the war and implemented an Occupation of monumental ineptitude. And to a lesser extent I blame every war supporter who aided and abetted them with their wilful blindness to reality.
Why do you wish this? Would you physically attack him if he did? Do you consider it morally correct to harm someone who has in fact committed no physical harm to you? Do you actually beleive you could not be arrested and charged for attacking someone simply for them having expressed an opinion you don’t agree with?
Christ almighty, get a grip. Yes, Der Trihs is a first-class jerk, but the people here who are saying they’d like nothing better than to get their hands on him are pretty disgusting as well.
This is what he said –
In response to this question –
All armed services members in Iraq are enlistees. According to your asshole buddy, they are all scum who deserve to die, something he is actively hoping for. Perhaps you should turn on the light before jumping into bed with someone.
[QUOTE=Gary Kumquat]
Sweet cocking christ, you’re trying to insult someone by changing their screen name from Der Shirt to Der Shit? Please tell me you felt embarrased about that level of playground retort upon hitting the submit key./QUOTE]
I just love the fact that you focused on that and not the rest of the paragraph. A statement in itself that you got squat.
Oh-boy. You slid “numerous” in there to make it appear as if it was a more common occurrence than it is. Again, it’s telling that you would comment on this and not the rest of what I wrote. Now why don’t you respond to the rest? Here it is again:
Try a little harder this time. Actually if you just trying would be an improvement.
Oh, please! I’ll bet you 10 bucks that Der Trihs would never say the things he does to a real serviceman in real life, because he knows perfectly well it would earn him a punch in the nose.
People don’t “attack” people for having a different opinion, they do so for personally insulting them. Which is what Der Trihs does when he says something like this to military personnel.
Oakminster was merely pointing out that it’s really easy to hide behind message board anonymity when you are using fightin’ words.
I think I have said it in a prior **Der Trihs ** pitting. I strongly disagree with what he says. I am a Navy Vet, my father is an Airforce Vet, my Nephew-in-law is an Army Vet. I have friends still in the service.
I thought part of why we all served was to defend the rights of people like Der Trihs to make assinine statements like he does? You know we are all sworn to protect all of the Bill of Rights.
Jim