Fessie, you’re an idiot if you think Der Trihs is an “idealist”. He’s not an idealist, he’s a misanthrope. He’s consumed by hatred and resentment. He’s as idealistic as Fred Phelps.
It is the easiest thing in the world for an “idealist” to commit the vilest evil…because they are working for a “good cause”. The "idealist"s enemies are horrible, horrible people, therefore the idealist gives himself license to do horrible horrible things…all in self-defense. All for the cause. The idealist is ready to destroy any actually existing human being…all in the name of humanity. The cause sanctifies everything.
I agree to a point. I have no problem with Iraq insurgents fighting to wrest their country back, even if they are pro-Saddam types. I do have a problem with those that use terror tactics against civilians, and while I’d prefer that we captured them and detained them, I don’t mourn their passing. I don’t wish death on anyone.
And for the record, Der Trihs does NOT speak for the entire left-sometimes I wonder if he’s actually a right winger trying to make us lefties look bad.
(Guin, whose cousin just came home from Iraq earlier this summer, only to have to learn his grandmother had died while he was over there).
Ah, yes. Jingoistic bullshit. That old saw brought out when someone with the “incorrect” opinion says anything. I’ve tried making efforts of criticizing the war in Iraq. Honest concerns here and elsewhere. You know what it’s met with? Wishing death on Americans in some cases and questioning my intellect for not wishing the same.
The problem is there is no more rational discussion on these matters in so many situations. A person doesn’t call for Bush’s head on a pike, and you think they are just blindly and slavishly throwing babies onto the pyre. Never realizing that you may have something in common before complete dismissal. For this, I completely dismiss anything you have to say. Life’s too short and rich to concern myself with your bitterness and worthlessness. I’ve known for a long time I’ll never win you over, and never thought you’d trust your ability to win me over. I’ll call it a push and move on because I simply don’t care.
BTW, your “winning link”? I’d want foreign forces out as quickly as possible as well. But in this case I’d wager that they want them out, but not before they can sleep safely. Or work safely. Or go to school safely.
I wonder why some of those links mention a 1 year time frame instead of immediate? Why ask the “enemy” to stick around for yet another year?
Maybe what they are saying is they want the Iraqis killing them to, you know, stop killing them. They realize that’s what it will take to get the American’s to leave. Even if you don’t.
I have a cousin over there now, and my son was there until a few months ago. Thank the gods he’s home now and won’t be able to go back for a while at least.
It was certainly a jerkish thing for him to say, but I doubt he knows I (or others on this board) have relatives or loved ones there. I’m sure the thought never crossed his little mind, as he appears to be a kid with no concept that the soldiers over there are real, flesh and blood people.
I have no problem with people being disgusted with the war. I’m disgusted with the war myself, and the highlight of my year was when my own son came home safe and mostly whole. I think DT’s rabid anti-Americanism though goes beyond what most lefties really stand for…or WANT to stand for. Protest is the heart of America, its the most American thing a citizen can do if s/he doesn’t agree with the governments policies. But wishing death and destruction on our own soldiers? Soldiers WE sent over there? For we did…because we are a democracy and a majority of our fellow citizens, in their infinite wisdom, not only elected Bush the bungler once but brought him back for a second term. Sheesh.
And of course the stupid “I’d kill myself before I would do the things those monsters do, blah blah blah” is just SO fucking annoying. It, more than anything, really puts an age on this mega-puppy.
You snipped the part of my post that did state it was an ignorant statement. But, nonetheless, in any War John, how can one side exist without “wishing” death on the enemy? American people wish death on inusrgents, they also wish death on terrorists. Now, from the other perspective, they wish death on American soldiers.
The real problem here is War John. In War, each side wishes death on the other. Thus, since this is an international board, we have to accept that people out there think about Americans exactly the way some Americans think about them.
Thus, I reiterate my point. The statements in question were just like any other pseudo-patriotic, faction-supporting hate mongering.
It may upset you that people feel this way about American soldiers, but I assure you, it upsets Iraqi’s that Americans feel that way about them.
It is really a sad situation. Hate only breeds more hate.
Let’s also keep in mind that Der Trihs is probably masturbating like a motherfucker while he reads this thread and basks in all the attention he’s getting.