Der Trihs, holier than thou

[Evil_One]

@duffer

Hmmm…I noticed this as well. Would it be against the rules to wish Der Trihs to join the US military?

I’m sure he would sail right through Marine Corps boot camp at the top of the class.

[XT]

Would be funny to watch him try.

-XT

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@Evil One

I’m sure he would sail right through Marine Corps boot camp at the top of the class.

Do you mean literally? As in, seconds beforehand, someone yells, “Punt!”

Daniel

[Frank]

@Carol Stream

If even a moderator finds that poster’s comments “beyond the pale of common humanity”, why isn’t the “Don’t be a Jerk” rule being enforced?

Or am I missing something?

You’re suggesting that my moderation should be based on my personal feelings? No, thanks, I get enough shit already.

[rayh]

@Frank

You’re suggesting that my moderation should be based on my personal feelings? No, thanks, I get enough shit already.

Moderators have feelings? :eek:

[wonky]

@RedFury

I find Der Trish logically consistent in his stand vis-a-vis the Iraq invasion. OTOH, I simply cannot bring myself to wish anyone getting killed.

Yup.

And this is one of the reasons I reject perfect consistency as an unqualified good.

[RedFury]

@Lissa

As Frank pointed out, it has been done.

You snipped the part of my post that did state it was an ignorant statement. But, nonetheless, in any War John, how can one side exist without “wishing” death on the enemy? American people wish death on inusrgents, they also wish death on terrorists. Now, from the other perspective, they wish death on American soldiers.

The real problem here is War John. In War, each side wishes death on the other. Thus, since this is an international board, we have to accept that people out there think about Americans exactly the way some Americans think about them.

Thus, I reiterate my point. The statements in question were just like any other pseudo-patriotic, faction-supporting hate mongering.

It may upset you that people feel this way about American soldiers, but I assure you, it upsets Iraqi’s that Americans feel that way about them.

It is really a sad situation. Hate only breeds more hate.

Sad. But very well put.

Thank you.

[Gala_Matrix_Fire]

@Guinastasia

Got a cite for that?

I have reported Der Trish’s posts several times for wishing death on American soldiers in thread where active duty soldiers were participating. The mods say it’s okay, because DT wasn’t specifically wishing death on those particular posters in the thread, but rather the group of American soldiers as a whole. At least that is how I read it.

So it’s okay to wish death on all car salesmen, even if a car salesman is participating in a thread, as long as you don’t wish death on the doper named CarSalesmanDan who is making you angry.

[RedFury]

@jsgoddess

Yup.

And this is one of the reasons I reject perfect consistency as an unqualified good.

Hmm…good point. What does that say about logic though? “Logic = system of reasoning I agree with…sometimes”

Not busting your chops, just thinking at loud.

[wonky]

@RedFury

Hmm…good point. What does that say about logic though? “Logic = system of reasoning I agree with…sometimes”

Not busting your chops, just thinking at loud.

I think it means that logic isn’t the only way to understand what’s important.

My god, I sound like McCoy.

[Martin_Hyde]

@Frank

Then you are using the word incorrectly, as condone implies a violation of the rules.

I have no idea what you mean here, clarify.

From the definition of condone I listed I believe the moderators of this forum (I do not know if the Pit has specific mods or if all mods have moderation powers here):

1. Disregard or overlook the wishing of death upon American soldiers.

2. Give tacit approval to the wishing of death upon American soldiers.

3. Pardon or forgive the wishing of death upon American soldiers (I’d say probably pardon instead of forgive.)

When you sit and do absolutely nothing when abominable words like those of DT are spewed all over the forums in what is a very obvious violation of “Don’t Be a Jerk” and the “Don’t wish death on posters” rules then all I can say is that you, the people who have the power to stop this, instead actually condone it. If not, I’m curious as to why nothing is done. Why are we paying for a “moderated discussion forum” where the moderators clearly are not enforcing the forum rules.

I seem to recall posts wishing death on Iraqi insurgents, or at least approving of their deaths.

Iraqi insurgents are criminals against a legal and democratic government. I do not wish them death but I wish that in any situation where they are taking military action against the government of Iraq, its allies, or its armed or police forces, they do not prevail in such situation.

Personally, I find Der Trihs comments to be outrageous and beyond the pale of common humanity, just the same as I find such comments about Iraqis coming from the pro-war faction.

Cite such comments, thanks. Also, cite such comments made repeatedly over many months by the same poster, without any rectification being done whatsoever by the moderation staff.

[crowmanyclouds]

@Martin Hyde

…When you sit and do absolutely nothing when abominable words like those of DT are spewed all over the forums in what is a very obvious violation of “Don’t Be a Jerk” and the “Don’t wish death on posters” rules then all I can say is that you, the people who have the power to stop this, instead actually condone it. If not, I’m curious as to why nothing is done. Why are we paying for a “moderated discussion forum” where the moderators clearly are not enforcing the forum rules…

What part of this didn’t you understand?
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@Giraffe

@Sublight

About the “no wishing death” rule. If I’m reading it correctly, wishing death on a member is a no-no, wishing death on a broad group (level 4 Thetans, Opthamologists, Commodore 64 fanciers, etc.) which may include non-specific members is ok, as long as I’m not trying to indirectly sneak a reference to a specific member or members.

That’s right. Saying you wish all opthalmologists would drop dead is different from saying you wish poster X who happens to be an opthalmologist would drop dead. Unless, as we mentioned, the context or specificity of the death wish makes it obvious you’re trying to obliquely tell another poster you wish they’d drop dead.

Is wishing death on a specific non-member ok? For example, whenever there’s a news report of animal abusers, child molesters, etc., the vitriol runs pretty hot. What’s acceptable and unacceptable in that case?

It’s fine. If they don’t post here, you can wish for their demise.

](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7266120#post7266120)or you could try

Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting
Do not threaten harm or wish death on another poster

Do not threaten another poster with physical harm, or wish for their demise. This includes hypothetical statements like “it would make me happy if someone ran you over” or “I hope you say that to [someone prone to stabbing people] and they stab you”.

This does not include statements about non-posters or groups which happen to include posters (e.g. lawyers, redheads, Democrats, Republicans, SUV-owners, etc.) You can wish death on them all you want.

Obligatory caveat for the nitpickers: we’re not stupid, so if you wish death on a group in such a way that you’re clearly directing it at a poster, don’t be surprised if you get warned.

@Martin Hyde

…I do not know if the Pit has specific mods…

And that would be the problem, you just don’t bother to read anything at all!
(Hint, at the bottom of the “Threads in Forum: The BBQ Pit” page, right after all the threads, directly right of “Display Options”)

Moderators: 3

TVeblen, fluiddruid, Giraffe

Join Date: Mar 2004 and you never noticed that? :dubious:

CMC fnord!

[Sevastopol]

@Martin Hyde

… Iraqi insurgents are criminals against a legal and democratic government. I do not wish them death but I wish that in any situation where they are taking military action against the government of Iraq, its allies, or its armed or police forces, they do not prevail in such situation.

Fairly loose definition of criminal in play there.

Whatever your view, there is no arguing they engaged in acts of “aggressive war” cf Nuremburg Trials. Which kind of casts ‘criminal’ in a different light, dontcha know?

Who do you back then, hoping for their defeat.

Is it OK If US Troops Do It? (OKIUSTDI)

[Thudlow_Boink]

@xtisme

Its obvious he’s got a bug up his ass…

I would gladly contribute toward a bug screen for Der Trihs’s ass if someone’s taking up a collection.

[Ponder_Stibbons]

@Squink

Aldebaran has been banned

Funny, I also thought about Aldebaran when I saw all the “it’s OK to wish death on US soldiers in general as long as it’s not a single person” thing going on in this thread.

Because it seemed like this was one of the last straws that lead the banning. Perhaps I’m wrong.

[Lama_Pacos]

@John Mace

BTW, I’m not aware of anyone who has said they want Iraqis to die.

If nobody wants Iraqi insurgents to die, why is the US government (backed by supporting constituents) sending people with guns over there?

It seems to me that it’s just a matter of being honest with one’s self. If you support a side in an armed conflict, you want people to die. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me. It seems to me that the only offense here on Der Trihs’ part is openly admitting what most people are too chickenshit to acknowledge: the reality of war. I think it sucks, which is why I don’t support war. YMMV.

[John_Corrado]

@Lama Pacos

If nobody wants Iraqi insurgents to die, why is the US government (backed by supporting constituents) sending people with guns over there?

It seems to me that it’s just a matter of being honest with one’s self.

Yes, but there’s this dishonest line that keeps getting crossed where “wishing for Iraqi insurgents to die” gets reformulated into “wishing for the average Iraqi to die” or “wishing for peaceful, happy, never-had-a-care-in-the-world-until-demon-Bush-invaded-and-turned-them-into-Rambos-for-honor-and-peace-and-tolerance Iraqis to die”.

[Shodan]

Do not threaten another poster with physical harm, or wish for their demise. This includes hypothetical statements like “it would make me happy if someone ran you over” or “I hope you say that to [someone prone to stabbing people] and they stab you”.

This does not include statements about non-posters or groups which happen to include posters (e.g. lawyers, redheads, Democrats, Republicans, SUV-owners, etc.) You can wish death on them all you want.

So I imagine saying “I hope anyone who wishes death on American soldiers dies horribly” is OK.

Or perhaps not, because it could be seen as wishing death on a specific poster, because specific posters have wished death on American soldiers.

It can’t be resolved; it is inherently contradictory. Because this -

Obligatory caveat for the nitpickers: we’re not stupid, so if you wish death on a group in such a way that you’re clearly directing it at a poster, don’t be surprised if you get warned.

gives an escape clause that can be used at will.