You were discussing posting style, not perspective. You could post a thread offering advice about how someone could improve his posting style, or you could make it more generically about “a certain posting style”.
Emphasis added to show at least what I had in mind.
Sorry I wasn’t clear though. I meant the hypothetical thread to be about a posting style of a particular poster. That belongs in the pit, even if the criticism is wholly constructive. There have been plenty of posts in the pit like that. A number threads have a mix of constructive and non-constructive critique. Old example from 2002 about a now banned (insufferable) poster.
Also and separately, it’s convenient to have a personal discussion in a forum where you have the option making personal attacks. Again though, there’s no obligation in the pit to use harsh language. Not that I’ve never done so: I’m just stating longstanding policy.
You ever get tired of telling people what the fuck to do?
Go fuck a cactus.
Guess not.
Nevermind…
MfM and I were having a perfectly civil discussion. No one is forcing you to read any of this.
Yeah, I have to admit that bobot at best appeared to misunderstand John Mace’s post. Mace wasn’t nagging me. If anything, I was over-personalizing my point.
I think being civil in the Pit is expressly forbidden.
Yeah, now I’m definitely with those who say that Terr was just as bad. I think he might also be a sociopath.
It’s cool. I think you might be an idiot.
Well, the feeling’s mutual.
There’s no “might” about it.
Hat tip to Vinyl Turnip, whose post made it instantly clear why DT was being an idiot in that thread.
I absolutely agree with you. Vinyl had the post of the thread with that one.
Without addressing whether or not the warning was deserved, the issue here is that DT is just too passionate about his opinion here to be able to address it rationally. Without condoning or condemning his opinion, it seems clear to me that he believes that most or all abortion proponents are motivated by mysogyny and don’t want to empower women. That’s a point that can reasonably be discussed in GD. Where he fails is by taking that perspective to the extreme and he essentially cede the argument out or irrationality when he makes a comparison to the KKK.
The opposite point, as mentioned, is comparing abortion to murder, again without condoning or comdemning, I think is a reasonable point worthy of discussion, and is a reasonable counterpoint to the asserted motivation of mysogyny. If, however, someone comes in, and rants about how all proponents of legalized abortion like to murder little babies because they’re possessed by the devil and it’s part of their sick fantasies and devil worship… yeah, they should have been warned too. Even if it’s an honestly held view, it’s toxic to a debate and it only serves to derail the discussion.
It’s not really any different from any other debate that goes on here where some people might have unpopular opinions. For instance, I’ve seen tons of debates about the intelligence of races on these boards, and it’s reasonable to argue that those who are proponents are racist, but if they start calling them Nazis and comparing them to Hitler then, even if we agree with that perspective, those people are only hurting the cause and they deserve a warning.
By all means, abortion is a passionate subject for a lot of people, and I think it’s worth debating, but if one person can’t see the other side as a group of reasonable people who disagree, either the other side isn’t reasonable and not worth debating, or that person can’t be reasonable about that topic, and should appropriately recuse himself from the discussion. I appreciate DT’s passion, the problem is, his passion often blinds him in being able to stay in a rational realm with his opinion. To a certain extent, believing that his perspective is honestly held, and I would tend to agree, he’s gotten leeway for being rash with how he expresses it, but eventually people just get tired of it.
Despite that I don’t agree with most of his opinions–for instance, while I am a proponent of legalized abortion, I don’t think opponents are primarily motivated by mysogyny–I think the varied opinions and the passion for them are what make the debates here interesting to observe and participate in, and so I’d like to see him find a way to temper his passion in GD and stay to the rational realm of the argument, but if he can’t do that, and based on that thread that seems unlikely, then he just may have let it alone.
Don’t do it Der Trihs. Don’t let these pro-lifer apologists silence you. God made sure you were born and gave you a voice for a reason.
Praise be to you and him always!
Well, I’m speaking from my passionless side. From a perspective of entertainment, a flameout can certainly be amusing. If it’s going to happen, might as well enjoy it.
Ban for the Band God!
Really? How about a cite on that one?