Was Andrew being honest when he told the pastor that he planned to get revenge on his mother or was he simply trying to get him worked up? It came off sounding like he was a sociopath, but perhaps he was just playing games, especially after swearing the pastor to secrecy.
And didn’t Bree say something to Andrew that she’d love him even if he were a murderer? That seemed ironic as well, seeing as how he is a murderer (or at least guilty of vehicular manslaughter).
Bree needs to be careful what she wishes for. Mama Solis didn’t die from the car accident, however, so at best Andrew’s guilty of hit and run.
Calling Carlos a lying abusive prick seems a tad harsh. He’s an insecure, jealous Mama’s boy, true. He repeatedly lied about his business practices – I get it. How has he shown himself to be a prick or abusive when Gabby is MORESO deceitful and heartless?
Well when he physically forced her to sign, he caused her obvious pain and then her wrist was shown to be all distorted and bruised. No matter how deceitful and heartless someone is, no one has the right to physically harm them. However, she chose not to call the cops or do anything about it, so it’s hard to cry big crocodile tears for her, you know?
And Andrew edges out Zach for the title of Creepiest Kid on Wisteria Lane. I feel sorry for Justin (the gay gardener).
I started watching late, so I don’t know any of the details of the murder mystery. Nor do I really care.
Are you KIDDING? Bree ain’t right. I realizes she has a lot of fans but her panache merely covers up her twisted nature. The woman is massively delusional about problems in her life and subliminates most of her emotions into being obsessively anal-compulsive, maniacly orderly and vain. Nothing is ever her fault and she never accepts blame. It drove her husband away, once, and her fake cheeriness drives her children nuts, especially Andrew.
She was deceitful and manipulative with her therapist. She betrayed her husband’s secrets at the dinner party. For all her Christian values, she did not turn in Andrew when he hit Mama Solis – she covered it up and made sure the car got stolen in a “poor” part of town. She scrubbed the street after Mama Solis was hit, reinforcing her own childhood tramua. The burrito incident. When confronted with her Rex’s infidelity, she toyed with the affections of her pharmacist out of revenge. She invaded Andrew’s privacy to get his locker combination and had him set up, and that deprived him of his scholarship. She had him carted off to camp. The first thing she did at camp when she learned her son might be gay is to run away – and get a minister to talk to him. Compound these actions of 18 years of unchallenged parenting and I’m sure she’s given Andrew a lot of reason to hate her.
Not that I approve – but I understand. You can apply that sympathy to Carlos, too.
I never said Bree was right. However, very little of the sins you rattled off have anything whatsoever to do with Andrew at all. And of the small few you do mention, some of them were actually to help keep his sorry, drunk ass out of trouble, and those that weren’t, were hardly so egregious that they should cause him to hate her with such venom that he would plot to destroy her with the kind of evil scheme he’s setting up. I understand teenagers being angry and hating their mothers, sometimes for real and sometimes for perceived injustices. But I fail to see where Andrew gets the apparent degree of loathing for her that would inspire that particular level of ire. It waaaaaaaaay crosses the line from moody, pissed off teenager into sick psychopath.
The aggregate sins of hypocrisy, pretending nothing’s amiss - ever – and abusing one’s parental authority piling up over time can easily inspire hate and loathing eventually. The degree of loathing is related to how Bree’s treated Andrew – and costing him his college scholarship while refusing to admit you made a mistake covering up his crime is an egregious act.
Oh, and I’m not sure about you, but I meant "Bree ain’t right, " in the sense that she ain’t right in the head.
A plague on both (Bree, Andrew) their houses, I say (although I think Andrew is motivated entirely by the writer’s need for a storyline, and not for anything Bree may or may not have done.)
As was said last week – the list of likable characters pretty much starts and ends with Mike. Susan’s daughter, maybe. Lynette’s husband’s not so bad.
jsc1953 I’m inclined to disagree about Lynette’s husband being likable. He was until the thing happened with the deaf woman’s husband. He should have pulled him aside and given him the, “Dude, not cool.” speech, but he didn’t causing his wife to go overboard- as usual.
I have no idea. The kid makes no sense to me. I may dislike the some of the other characters (Carlos), but at least I understand what’s going on there. Andrew doesn’t make any sense to me at all. Yeah, Bree is not the perfect mother, not by a long shot. But the nature of her imperfections do not (to me) explain why her kid is going to those extremes.
Unless he’s a sociopath and isn’t supposed to make any sense.
Oh, and jsc1953, there was a slight moment during one of the episodes (the one where his father visits) where it seems as though Lynette’s husband has had an affair. Maybe. It was a bit unclear.
I’m just glad I get to drop my short-term sympathy for Andrew and get back to hating him. Excellent!
Did you catch that he has been replacing her birth control pills with placebos?
I think that Carlos and Gabby deserve each other. They shouldn’t be inflicted on anyone else.
Desperation to be a father still doesn’t add up to his being a lying, abusive prick. He’s just conniving and dumb.
I just don’t get Andrew, even though I only started watching a couple episodes ago. I’ve only seen two episodes that had a segment of it talking about him (the one where he goes to the camp and this one) and the only explanation I can come up with is that he’s a bad seed. Or maybe the writers just need a subplot to divert attention from the whole Mary Alice/Angela mystery. I felt bad for Carlos until he hurt Gabby. After that, I don’t trust him anymore. Bree’s my favourite character, but she compromises her Christian values in order to protect her son who blatantly hates her. I understand that. Lynette annoys me, but I’m glad that she took up the responsibility and maturity as an adult and neighbour to help Mrs. McClusky. Susan seems to be so immature at times, but this time, I was genuinely embarrassed for her because of her mother and her wild antics. I’d be frustrated too if my mother ever did anything like that, especially at her age.
I liked the scenes with Lynnette and Mrs. McCluskey. The latter is clearly lonely and it manifests as grouchiness. Lynnette should just learn not to take it personally. Smile or make a joke, Lynnette. At least Mrs. McC. isn’t as destructive as your kids are!
I think that’s it. Remember, after he got drunk and hit Mama Solis with his new car, his concern was that his life not be ruined, that he was young and Mama Solis was old, and that if she died oh well, as long as his life wasn’t disrupted by a pesky trip to jail.
Bree was horrified after the accident when Andrew showed absolutely no remorse whatsoever, and was only worried about how this would inconvenience him.
I’ve thought Bree was wound too tight after her dinner with Zach, when she told him the story of after her mother(?) was hit by a car, her first act was to go hose the blood off the road. That’s not a normal reaction when a child loses a parent, and I’d love to meet Bree’s father.
Holy cow, what are you people not “getting” about Andrew?! Bree came right out and told him to his face that she wants him to change who he is. I can’t imagine a worse thing for a mother to day to a child. After a lifetime of walking on eggshells to avoid incurring her wrath, he’s finally realized he’ll never be able to please her because of who he is as a person, at the very core of his being. Is it any wonder he’s a little bitter?
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I previewed and everything. 
But up until then, Bree was telling Andrew that she loved him and wanted him to be happy, that no matter what was wrong with him, she would love him always.
It’s only after he claimed to be gay that she reared back and had a hissy fit.
Holy cow, I can! My mother said much worse to me. Much. And yet, I still never plotted her downfall or destruction with a heart full of evil malice.
Nor was I ever able to please my mother after a lifetime of walking on eggshells and bending over backwards, to boot. As I said, I understand teenage anger at a parent all too well. But Andrew’s behavior has gone well beyond “a little bitter,” to downright sinister and malicious. Sorry, but I don’t “get” that at all.