So you thin there was no political calculation involved when she decided to stay with Bill and de-legitimize the claims of the women who accused bill of sexual assault? Why is it that women’s groups almost assume the guilt of the accused in every sexual assault except when the accused in Bill Clinton? I don’t mean that in an accusatory way but it has been remarked upon in the past and I never got a good answer. ISTM that anyone accusing a powerful man (Republican or Democrat) of sexual harassment is usually believed by women’s groups, except when the accused is Bill. Why is that?
I am sure she loves Bill. I think that she loves her daughter. That doesn’t make her a good person, or a good politician.
We *get *that you simply hate her. You don’t need multiple consecutive posts exploring and repeating any possible rationalizations you can come up with to justify it. You’d do much better to recognize and apply consistent fact-based standards.
She was a Goldwater girl. Reagan was a Democrat…who turned out to be the iconic Republican. What’s your point?
And again, the super predators comment was not in any way racist. Many members of the congressional black caucus (in fact most, IIRC) supported Clinton’s crime bill. Bernie Sanders did something even Hillary Clinton didn’t do by voting for the crime bill. I don’t have a problem with people critiquing Hillary - there’s a lot to critique. But criticisms ought to be valid and accurate, not just Bernie Bro regurgitation.
If he’s not blaming Hillary for the infidelity she “let” happen, why would it affect Hillary’s moral standing?
Blaming her for the consequences of her actions isn’t “slutshaming”; it’s “accountability”. Handwaving away her responsibility in the affair as you did is ridiculous. You will note that I already said I consider Bill even more responsible for what happened - am I slutshaming him too? And the issue here isn’t that she had sex but who she had sex with and in what context.
Ah, the “If my hypothetical were true, you’d be a hypocrite!” argument. Always a winner.
And I note you are continuing to deliberately blur the lines between a consensual sexual encounter and sexual assault in order to support a false equivalence. Presumably there have been many women (other than his wives) over the years who have had consensual sex with Donald Trump. No one is complaining about them (well, maybe about their taste in men). The married woman he pinned up against a wall and groped against her will? You’re damn right we condemn that.
As you’re the only one calling Monica a “slut” here, I’m not sure what the point is of this is other than to build a strawman.
Are you insinuating a *quid pro quo *here? And if so, have you got anything to back it up?
I said she initiated the sex, and I said so because Monica has openly said it on multiple occasions. This is not to say that Clinton was the unwilling victim of her feminine wiles - she described it as “a mutual relationship, mutual on all levels, right from the way it started and all the way through”.
It’s pretty easy. I did it above.
And that’s relevant to your argument, how…?
…and we’re back to your virulent hatred for Hillary. You really just can’t help yourself.
That is an excellent way to describe it. She has an attitude of entitlement yet she is very unaccomplished.
Adding to the hubris, she is a very dishonest person. This has been seen in many ways. She presents herself as an accomplished person, going back to Arkansas touting an education program that was actually a total failure, claiming that the easy money she made in sweetheart deals was just ordinary investing based on reading the Wall St. Journal, participating in the smearing of the women who accused her husband of sexual misconduct, the Travelgate affair where she was clearly dishonest about her participation, even if her statements did not rise to the level of a crime, she throws the blame on her mistakes on others as in the case of the Iran war vote where she blames Bush Jr. for lying to her. And the big one recently about the email destruction, she was obviously covering up something, even if it was nothing important, but we have no idea what it was. She lawyers up in any controversial situation, she is not a forthcoming person, and she has switched sides on political issues many times. She may not be the kind of bald faced liar that Trump is, but she’s not an honest trustworthy person either, it’s not a single incident problem, it’s a pattern in her life of dissembling and cover-up. Certainly all politicians do this kind of thing, but she has done it repeatedly without seeming to have learned from her past mistakes, and by no means could she be considered a virtuous person.