No Christian can act sexy in a music video.
Beyonce’s a Christian.
No *true *Christian can act sexy in a music video.
It may be cathartic for Hillary to go on a blame everyone else tour but it isn’t helpful. I’m not saying it’s her fault that she comes off as so unlikeable, but come across that way she does. The best thing she can do is fade into the woodwork until the 2020 nominee is named and then help that person as much or as little as he/she wants.
If Hillary could stop herself from lecturing everyone, she wouldn’t have lost the election.
Regards,
Shodan
That’s the wrong response if you hope for the Democrats to do well in the coming elections.
The Democratic Party needs to discuss why it chose Hillary over Bernie. And then why they didn’t turn out in the numbers they did for Barry. If they don’t continue discussing these issues now, it’s going to be restarted during the 2020 primaries. The sooner the party can get past this, by talking through, rather than avoiding, the better.
As an aside, look how conservatives and Trumpists are still mudslinging at Clinton. They do so (in part*) because they want to interject themselves into the Democrats’ discussions and distort them. Telling women to shut up and sit down comes naturally to them; don’t let’s follow that example.
*The other part being to distract from their president’s incompetence and immorality.
I disagree. Every minute we spend relitigating 2016 is a minute that we can’t focus on 2018 and 2020. She had her chance, she lost to the most unqualified candidate in electoral history. I’m sorry she lost and supported her, but now it’s time to move on. Damn right that she got treated unfairly but if a football team spends all of its week whining about the officiating in the previous game it can’t get ready to play the next week.
I think the answer to the second question kind of makes the first one irrelevant. Trump won because Democrats didn’t turn out for Hillary. Hillary won in the primaries because even the more partisan Democrats who typify primary voters picked her over Bernie. I don’t see how picking someone who didn’t appeal to Democrats is going to get more Democrats to pick that someone in the general election.
I don’t see how jiggering the system so as to pick a cranky old white guy instead of a cranky old white woman is going to help. Apparently, the Dems need a charismatic black candidate.
Oprah is looking better and better.
Regards,
Shodan
Waiting until game day to decide on the game plan is too late. And that means watching last week’s film to figure out what worked and what didn’t. Yeah, the quarterback made mistakes, but they’re getting benched and weren’t the only one on the field anyway. Does our line up favor rushing or passing? What kind of quarterback are we looking for?
Winning next week means knowing why the team lost last week.
I don’t think we disagree. Certainly there’s a happy medium somewhere. Yes, we need to learn from Hillary’s defeat but we can’t wallow in despair over it. Healthy review is good as in “hey, right guard! you need to block the pass rush better and here’s the adjustments you can make”. Unhealthy review isn’t so good “Damn, if only they hadn’t made that interference call against us we would have won.” I think Hillary is indulging herself in too much blame-shifting.
Yes. Discussion needs to be forward-looking and about what needs to be done instead of moping about what happened.
I don’t think Hillary is blame-shifting, in that she doesn’t deny any mistakes. Blame is not zero-sum. I think too many entities want only Hillary to be at fault while denying any fault of their own. I think the political media is an excellent example of this–many are pushing the narrative that Hillary is trying to shift blame without admitting any culpability of their own.
And many Democratic activists want to blame only Hillary while papering over any divisions in the party. It’s better to keep those arguments in the open. You don’t want the Democratic Party to lose cohesion like the Republicans have. Let the factions argue now, so that when someone wins an election, there’s no doubt who won.
I like the way you think!
I have not read the book, from the folks who have (and these are Democrats) it sounds like she claims to take the blame, but then goes on and blames everything else that “happened”.
Here’s the thing: it wasn’t just the democratic machine that selected Hillary Clinton. She actually won more votes than Bernie Sanders. Why did she get more votes in the Democratic party? Oh I don’t know, maybe because she had been among the most recognizable democrats for 30 years and ran as a Democrat whereas her opponent had been an independent and ran as a Democrat to get more attention. These sorts of inaccuracies in describing Hillary Clinton’s nomination aren’t helping, either.
In the first hundred pages of What Happened, Hillary Clinton writes that she decided to run for office during a vacation with the designer Oscar de la Renta and that when she lost she received an invitation from George W. Bush to get burgers. These bookends are an early sign that there is something amiss in this much-anticipated tell-all of the 2016 campaign, which attempts—and fails—to offer a diagnosis of how Clinton lost an election to the most unqualified and most loathed presidential candidate in modern history. These anecdotes suggest a fatal lack of awareness, an inability to see that she and her party may have grown out of touch. To the contrary, she says. She was the victim of forces beyond her control. Journalists, Russia, Bernie Sanders: These are a few of her least favorite things.
Beginning of Sarah Jones’ Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Get It in New Republic
And that dear pomposity is there, insistent on her own ‘realism’ in rejecting the siren of left answers…
But Hillary Clinton must have her scapegoat. Bernie Sanders did this, Bernie Sanders did that. Above all, Bernie Sanders had the audacity to be mad about American inequality. “Bernie was outraged about everything. He thundered on at every event about the sins of the ‘millionaires and billionaires,’” she writes. “I was more focused on offering practical solutions that would address real problems and make life better for people.” Perhaps she was thinking of her friend Oscar de la Renta.
Practical, that’s it.
Still, her deep friendship with George W., as above, was not the only reason he offered a consoling hand after — he and his family had been brutalised by the Donald too in that rough campaign.
Bernie almost won… if non Dems wee able to vote, I’m sure he would have won.
Here’s the thing about the sexism… I can see why it sucks for her that her actions are more scrutinized. In, perhaps a response to this, she has to be “tough”. I would be more impressed if she did shed a tear now and then… but, people would inevitably bring it up.
I don’t like Bernie because of his free college, (New York has it,) or Single Payer, (Endorsed by many Dems,) I like him because off I don’t want establishment Democrats.
Nope. Not even close.
The primary was effectively over after super Tuesday. There was no point after that where anyone who understood the rules thought Bernie could win.
Also Clinton typically crushed Sanders in open primary states where non Dems could vote.
I’m bored so I’ll back up my previous post with data.
Total primary vote
Clinton 16,847,084 (55.20%)
Sanders 13,168,222 (43.14%)
Only open primaries
Clinton 6,363,700 (57.13%)
Sanders 4,776,063 (42.87%)
Clinton did better in open primaries (+14), where non Dems were allowed to vote, than she did in the primary overall which she won by landslide margin of 12 points.
That’s not close and there’s no indication that DNC voter suppression played a role.
I totally believe Clinton ‘was robbed’…Sanders played a part in that,for sure…My pain is that Clinton can never really redeem herself…Just like Gore will never be able too…I seriously fear for this country…I am not so sure we can survive this presidency intact…I fear really bad things on the horizon…how do you people sleep at night?
Thanks for backing your claims up.
So… (Just a question,) Why was Bernie Sanders more points ahead of Hillary when predicting who would beat Trump? was it 16 points ahead of Trump? I don’t quite remember.
I still maintain that Bernie DID nothing wrong… (some of his supporters maybe), and he’s still the most popular politician in the country. He’s working hard for what he thinks is right. He’s constantly saying “Not me. US!”
Hillary’s “6 minute abs” analogy in her book was unfair. She should really lay off of Sanders if she cares about her image… (in my HUMBLE opinion)
Also, I think Obama would be a much more graceful, dignified, “loser” than Hillary.
And what do people on this board think about the idea of getting rid of “Corporate Democrats”. As of now, THAT’S my main concern… it wasn’t just that I saw a genuine, honest, man looking to get me “free stuff”.
First, if you don’t quite remember, why don’t you look it up?
Second, do you remember that one time when you repeatedly asked for evidence of misogyny from Bernie Bros?
You’re right. I’m sorry/
The only thing though…
I don’t know the polls name or what to look up exactly. I’ll do a Google search now for “Bernie Sanders Donald Trump Poll 16 points” Because all the information I remember correctly after listening to a commentator explain it. I didn’t look it up before, because I didn’t feel I had enough info to get an accurate answer. I’ll try some things out.