A tad late for that,
I regret saying that. That was out of anger.
Funny, I’ve been angry lots of times but I can’t remember ever flat out endorsing the extermination of an entire people group.
Fine. Don’t believe me if that makes it easier for you. I know that I could do a full 180 and declare that Israel is 100% in the wrong and it wouldn’t be good enough anyway because I didn’t declare it the day before the pogrom. You’re not interested in convincing me, you just want to preen about how you’re right and I’m wrong.
Sure, buddy, sure:
Yes, I said that. Ten years ago. People can change in ten years and I no longer believe the things about police that I once did, as the police in this country have largely proven themselves incapable of controlling themselves.
Should I go digging through every regrettable thing you’ve ever said and hold you accountable for it? I hope for your sake that you never wrote an essay for English class in 10th grade about why Tolkien is overrated.
Just like the Israeli government!
I’m your huckleberry…
Sure, I agree with that. Some posters have changed radically from their callow youth days.
This would usually show in what they post.
You, though…
They were already like that back then. But you stanned them hard nevertheless. Did any of that sink in as a learning experience? Clearly not.
Whereas the IOF, on the other hand, are clearly models of self control…
Different jackboot, same licker.
Go right ahead, I’ve said plenty I regret afterwards, you can start with Cesario and move on down.
Difference being, I said I was wrong and behave differently now. I didn’t just move on to defending a different waste of air out of misguided principles.
Errm, I wouldn’t regret that at all. Not a Tolkien fanboi.
I want to make a more serious point about this,
Yes, this is your problem, you haven’t changed, you held a black and white opinion ten years ago and you hold a black and white opinion now.
Right. I can see that this is a waste of time. Even if I change my mind you’ll just call me a liar, so there’s no point in me even bothering to listen.
“They made me a fascist because they were mean to me!”. Why didn’t your role models think of that defense at Nuremberg?
Seems like you want me to be a genocidal fascist at this point.
Sorry to disappoint.
Too late, try this,
I call them like I see them.
The genocidal part is a given, based off all your ongoing genocide denial.
Actual Fascist, I wouldn’t actually go that far.
Fascist fetishist, that’s always been clear, and even clearer lately from your own bootlicking posts in these Palestine threads.
Sorry, did I miss an apology or a retraction somewhere? I remain un-disappointed. You’re performing exactly as per expectations so far.
People aren’t calling you racist for agreeing with them. They’re really really frustrated and despairing, and they’re calling you racist because of what’s bringing you to this epiphany, and to the specifics of the epiphany.
I think it’s more complicated than racist assumptions–although, and please understand that I’m speaking to a common bias in thinking rather than making a fundamental character judgment–I do think there might be racist assumptions underlying your stance.
Israel’s strike on the aid workers isn’t worse than their strikes on thousands of innocent Gazans. But they’re more visible; and the aid workers are better-connected; and it’s symbolic. IDF is admitting today that there were serious violations of their protocols that led to these strikes. But what are the chances that this is the only “serious violation” of protocols? That one of only a handful of such serious violations is a strike that kills non-Gazan aid workers?
It seems blatantly obvious to me that IDF has gotten so sloppy with their protocols that something like this could happen; and that many, many–hundreds, or thousands–of innocent Gazans have been killed by similar “serious violations” of protocols.
It’s frustrating if this is treated, not as symptomatic, but as an aberration. If you say, “Israel has gone too far in this instance,” that’s really frustrating. If you say, “Okay, this instance is making me realize that Israel has been going too far,” that would hew closer to what’s happening.
You’re trying to reason with someone who - when asked what the difference was between the aid workers and all the other people killed indiscriminately by the IDF - openly and blatantly advocated wiping every Palestinian from Gaza, repeatedly. Who cries about insinuated racism while stating everybody arguing with him just hates Jews. That’s why no one is giving his half-assed bullshit a pass.
It should probably be pointed out the the first person in this thread to call Smapti racist was Smapti.
If someone can move an inch closer to opposing this humanitarian nightmare, it’s worth helping them move that inch–and then as many inches as can. It’s not giving someone a pass to move them away from support for something terrible.
It may be awful of me, but I think about human interaction a lot in terms of clicker training.
Demonstrably false, but you already know that.