I probably should have at least sourced that quip, I was referencing Charles Mills’ statement in 1994’s “Non-Cartesian Sums: Philosophy and the African-American Experience”, from the journal “Teaching Philosophy” (one of the largest Philosophy Journals). It summed up his frustration at the white philosophers preaching so-called “universal human rights” without understanding or truly elevating and appreciating black perspectives, and especially at white philosophers throughout history who would preach these things and then turn around and say blatantly racist things:
I understand the mod note, but this is in itself part of what I’m talking about. Marginalized people can’t express frustration at the state of affairs because if we say something angry that goes the slightest bit off color because we feel we’re not being heard, then we get policed, whereas if the usual suspects “civilly” say heinous things about us we get told to use it as a “teaching moment” (so long as we don’t get frustrated with them and say a mean thing while doing so!). I at the very least reject the notion it’s a “locker room comment”. It’s deliberately provocative, sure, but locker room comments are generally more about… well… actual sex not mental masturbation which I’ve seen both referred to and not modded here before. Hell, Kobal did it a few posts before me (sorry, don’t want to throw you under the bus):
I, too, meant contributions to this thread. I knew you didn’t mean to insult women. I’ve read too many of your posts to think that. And my reasons for not posting more are exactly as you state. I get it that you know the posters who’ve been here for 10-15 years very, very well. Not all of us go back that far.
If a crime occurs but the victim doesnt want report it to the authorities but does tell their friends and posts about the event (vaguely) , does that mean FB, the friends, society, and the victim all “approved it”?
if you didnt report the post, then the staff didnt allow it. How are the staff to know it happens if not reported?
I don’t know what my registration date is, but I’ve been reading the SD for 20 years. I’ve bought memberships for myself and others a number of times.
I’ve never posted much, but beyond posting, my browsing of the SD has dropped precipitously in recent years.
This is 100% due to, and emblematic of, being given a problem statement of “We’re losing members overall, and we’re losing the handful of ‘good’ conservatives we had, and are becoming an echo chamber / ideological monoculture,” you guys are collectively arriving at “The only solution is more thought policing and much stricter limitations of what can be discussed here! And mods need to be a LOT more active, and looser with the banhammer!”
Yeah, that’ll diversify this place right up.
In real life I describe my (US) politics as “I think we should invite Canada to invade and establish a real government here.” I bet we agree overall on nearly every substantive political position.
Yet I feel like you folk are so far to the left of me and so steeped in the culture of victimhood and needing “safe spaces” and decrying anyone that disagrees with you on any point as moral monsters that there’s no point even reading most SD posts any more.
But good luck with the “increasing thought policing and bans” thing, I think that’ll turn out great! Maybe I’ll hear about the Straight Dope finally closing down from one of the other, still interesting places on the internet I read.
Once the moderators enforce the rules for liberals, you will see better behavior in the conservatives.
I have yet to see a single person banned for mocking Trump’s penis or body or appearance. You can bet if anyone wrote anything remotely similar about Clinton or Obama they would be out in a heartbeat.
Faux news was funny the first thousand times but I have yet to see a moderator admonish anyone for using the term when I am certain anyone using the term Washington Compost would get a waring.
Why do you value conservative voices more than (social) minority ones?
Ah yes, the country that was still force sterilizing indigenous women uh checks clipboard
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Like I ain’t gonna say Canada isn’t better than the US as least they have uh… healthcare and not Donald Trump in charge but I don’t think you’re as left as you think you are if your politics are “literally just Canada.”
But then I’m ancom so
Yes, the moderators should enforce body shaming even against people who “deserve it” like Trump because it’s not body positivity if it’s applied unevenly, it’s just marking acceptable targets for body-based bigotry. The ableism too. Also the eugenics talk about letting southerners rot for being intellectually inferior.
So maybe make a separate forum where you stick all the extremist nutbars and let them rant at each other, and the rest of us can just discuss everything like mature adults?
(Sort of like the Giraffe Box, only it’s not quite an area for punishment, per se?)
Ah, so of all the things to take from this thread, the one thing mods have advocated actually modding is
Something that could effectively be moderated by a bot that searches for naughty phrases like “ugly” or “small dick”
Was motivated by accusations that conservatives are, in fact, the ones really being targeted
I even agreed with modding body shaming comments regardless of target, because I truly believe it’s not allyship if you simply designate acceptable targets (e.g. “trans friendly” people who make fun of conservative trans women for being trans). But if that’s the only thing the moderation takes from this discussion I actually give up.
No, seriously, only an problem child would fight to keep another problem child’s voice from being taken away from being able to bother the masses. By boxing them the two of them could live happily in their little problem child bubble where they would always agree with each other.
The victim is the only one who gets to decide, that’s not the same as approval (especially not in a victim-blaming culture). Here, you get modded whether the victim wants you to be or not - as many ATMB threads can attest to.
You’re assuming it wasn’t reported, but anyway, I’m pretty sure they’re aware of it now. And people get modded for things mods see that weren’t reported. Reporting isn’t necessary for moderation to exist.
***But that’s irrelevant. ***
I know I certainly didn’t report it because I already knew it wouldn’t get modded.
Because the mods have made it painfully clear by direct statements that if you’re polite, you can say what you like about African intellectual inferiority** in GD**. It would be no different in the Pit.
So when I say it’s sanctioned, that’s because the moderation staff have outright told me it is.
Reporting it would be like reporting Shodan’s sig - something that by his own admission sometimes mean “fuck you”, they have explicitly said they allow. Reporting it would be a waste of effort. Same-same with polite phrasings of “Blacks are congenitally dumber”
