Ok fellow liberals, now that we know that Shodan is all for a universal healthcare system like the European countries, thinks it’s intelligent, how can we use that to our advantage?
Didn’t he get St. Louis pizza a few weeks ago? Traitor. Impeach!
Right, but here’s a transcript of the clip…
So what Goler is saying is that the President wants to solve the health care problem by adopting universal health care, and that his critics complain that universal health care would mean government run health care. And the question Obama was asked in the town meeting was “Why don’t we fix the health care problem by having a universal health care system, the way Europe does.” No one is claiming that the mechanism of universal health care is going to be the same in the US as in Europe (and, in fact, each European country handles universal care differently), just that Obama wants the US to have universal health care, as Europe already does.
It’s as if I said, “The United Kingdom is a democracy, like the United States.” I’m not saying that the United Kingdom’s political system is identical to the United States, and they’re clearly not…just that they’re both democracies. Likewise, if I say, “The US needs universal health care, like they have in Europe”, I’m not saying, “The US needs universal health care identical to the kind of universal health care in Europe.” I’m saying, “The US needs universal health care, and Europe is an example of a place that has universal health care.”
There’s Chicago style and New York (Brooklyn) style. Both are American places. 
It’s hard to interpret that as anything other than ‘Obama wants European-style health care’.
I’m sure they do. Many of his critics believe all sorts of wacky things.
Anyway, can I get that with pepperoni on one half and mushrooms on the other half?
I like pizza. Ooh, I must be in Europe!
Fuggedaboudit.
Why can’t I get a pizza here, like in Chicago?
Hey, if it’s not there in 30 minutes, it’s free.
I’m just sayin’.
If Fox was merely trying to claim that Obama wants the US to have universal health care, then why didn’t they simply quote the part where Obama said RIGHT OUT that he wants the US to have universal health care?
From the Media Matters transcript excerpt:
Emphasis added. If Fox simply wanted to show documentation that Obama advocated a universal healthcare system, there was a perfectly honest way to provide it.
What they chose instead was a perfectly dishonest attempt to portray Obama as explicitly advocating a “European-style” system, apparently for the purpose of activating the kneejerk reflexes of their Europe-phobic core audience.
You guys are straw manning… Nobody said anything about ‘European-style’. They all said 'like in Europe."
See my pizza example if you are confused. Because you can get pizza pretty much everywhere, just like in Chicago. But you can’t get Chicago-style pizza everywhere.
I was neither confused nor misled in the way the op describes while watching the clip. I did not think Obama was endorsing European style healthcare.
Uh, it’s not radio. They showed the clip where he was actually reading the QUESTION. You can see that he’s reading a question, he’s even pointing to it. If this were a radio broadcast, you might have a point.
But hey, it’s TV. So, sorry.
Obviously whether something is misleading cannot depend on it being misleading for every member of the audience. So the anecdotal fact that one Fox News viewer wasn’t misled is pretty much irrelevant.
As Kimstu points out, they could have made the exact same point using his direct speech a few lines later. Why not do so? One hypothesis is they wanted to mislead. This is further supported by the context of the clip (e.g. “critics say this could lead to government-run healthcare”). What is your counter-hypothesis?
What’s the difference?
Except that healthcare systems aren’t generally known for their country/region of origin, so your analogy is fucking stupid.
It’s ultimately irrelevant because all news networks do this all the time. WHich I why I don’t watch TV news from anyone.
My counter hypothesis?
This is not a great example to support the hypothesis that Fox News should not be taken seriously… But, it’s a great example of the the great lengths and tortured logic that will be employed by those who think it shouldn’t.
It tells me a lot more about a certain group on the left than it does about Fox News.
That you have a low opinion of groups on the left is neither particularly surprising, nor relevant to this conversation.
I guess I can’t expect any honest answers after your well poisoning, but I’ll try one more time. We’ve offered an explanation for odd behavior of presenting a quote as if it were a statement by cutting off three key words at the beginning of it. You reject that explanation out of hand. Do you have some other explanation for this behavior?
What part of the clip communicated to you the information that Obama was explicitly against European style health care?
Do you take Glenn Beck seriously, by the way? Has he ever made you think? I imagine you know some other righties. Are they generally aware that he’s a carnival show, or do they believe he’s actually some kind of thinker?
What kind of confidence do you have in FNC’s hard news reporting?