As a general rule, should concealed carry citizens practice scenarios like that? Or can they trust themselves to act legally, appropriately and in a manner that would enhance their safety and stay true to their morals without practice or training? Should they practice the most common self-defense scenarios, for their respective demographic?
The hard part would be simulating the adrenalin and bodily responses to extreme stress. Sure, the body might respond like it’s in some kind of tournament, with enhanced focus. But it also might go into overdrive, causing one to freeze or even lose digestive function. You don’t get to choose your body’s automatic response, but you do get to manage it as best you can, applying what experiences and plans you have had. There are in between circumstances, where one takes damage but keeps doing the same thing over and over. Or so I understand from from this author, who does not have the last word on the subject.
Kfraser34, I think you’ve lost track of what you’re arguing. My point was that a well-trained small man can take out an untrained big man, period, and Gracie’s success in the early UFCs is ample evidence for that–period. As far as giants in the UFC are concerned, you’re incorrect: Gerard Gordeau knocked out sumo makushita Teila Tuli in 26 seconds in the inaugural tourney, and Mark Hall knocked out sumo yokozuno Koji Kitao in UFC 9, also in under a minute. In addition to Hackney’s victory over Yarborough that you mentioned–as well as numerous other small-man-beats-(not so great) big-man examples–I think we can extrapolate from our early UFC “lab” that a trained, fast striker can take out a much larger man with a good punch or two.
And, thus, a good martial arts background is probably very useful in a real world attack, even against a larger opponent.
As far as your acquaintances being unfazed by bludgeonings…well, those are your stories, sir, but I stand by my statement that the toughest fighters in the world are probably pretty much gone if nailed with a weapon from behind. As John Wayne once said: “There’s always some six-fingered bastard that couldn’t hit a cow in the tit with a tin cup. That’s the one who usually does you in.”
There have been others too, these are off of the top of my head.
You should watch some MMA beyond UFC, but not for the freak shows that they run in Japan where weight classes are not obligatory. Check out Ikuhisa Minowa’s entire career, he is a 190lber that usually fights only freakishly big people because Japanese people like idiotic David and Goliath matchups.
ya… i gotta admit that I always go outta my way to bitch about Gracie… I really dislike him… I just wanted to point out that his dominance didn’t last long in the UFC… but I really don’t think that it pertains to the OPs question… MMA really cant be compared to real life use of MA… Those fighters square off knowing what is going to happen to them and they have trained full contact and are used to being punched… there is no real element of surprise to react to or freeze because of… your average black belt is not going to be able to utilize his skills to beat a bigger stronger opponent the way that Royce Gracie can…
well what you said was
Gerard Gordeau at 6’ 4" 220 is hardly a middleweight… Hall is not quite as big but larger than middleweight… but ya those are two pretty big weight differences… but it is still a rarity when compared to when looking at the UFC as a whole… the only other fighter I can think of that might have greatly outweighed his opponents is Paul Varlens who was around 300 even… Varlens vs Ruas is one of my all time favourite fights…
nah… all the Yarborough fight proved was that a fat guy doesn’t have the agility to get up off the ground when someone is pounding on his head… he never hurt Yarborough and by the time Yarborough gives up because he cant stand Hackney’s hand is badly broken… If you use the street fight measure of the who did the most damage Yarborough won… ya he let Hackney do the work but the end result is what it is…
absolutely… any training is better than no training… but other than boxing there is no MA that really prepares you properly for being punched in the face from a full grown enraged man… it is a very physically traumatic experience… the only way to be prepared for it is to experience it…
and ya… as far weapons go… no you don’t want to have one used on you and the vast majority people who are attacked with one do very poorly… those two experiences are the only two were I have seen someone over come a surprise weapon attack… and I have seen the end results of weapons used properly quite a bit more…
The reason I brought it up was the emphasize my point that toughness is the most important factor in who wins in real life altercations… speed skill strength and even endurance all go out the window when the guy you just punched as hard as you can in the face laughs at you…
I didn’t word my post properly… I wasn’t trying to say that there weren’t any other Big Men… I was responding to what the other poster said about 300+ guys going up against middleweights… as I mentioned in the post above Gordeau is hardly a middleweight…
Actually I really dont like the UFC at all and really haven’t been all that interested in MMA since the UFC bought PRIDE… If you compare the UFC shows to the PRIDE shows you can see how much more serious it is in Japan… The UFCs are filled with a bunch of drunken idiots hoot and hollering the whole time, but in those PRIDE shows there would be 3 or 4 or even 5 times more people in attendance and they would be dead silent in the middle of the fight and then all the sudden begin to roar when things got serious… I really miss those old PRIDE shows… Sakarabu and Igor and my favourite from PRIDE Hidehiko Yoshida…
Actually the crowds have gotten MUCH better in the UFC lately. Before, they were comping so many tickets to get their attendance numbers up that most of the people there were drunken idiots who didn’t know anything about the sport. Now the crowd is a lot more educated and doesn’t automatically boo when fights go to the ground like before. This was only when the typical meatheads started watching UFC right after TUF and think Forrest Griffin is the best LHW of all time.
I feel like I am a very lucky person to have seen the greatness that was Sakuraba vs Royce, even if new fans see it today I don’t think they can appreciate fully the significance of that fight. It is an era that will never come around again for sure.
Unless they fought another time and I’ve just watched the wrong one on youtube, I fail to see anything in the way of greatness during that fight. All I saw was 2 supposedly highly trained martial artists fighting rather unremarkably for however long it went on for. Do you want to tell me what it is I’ve missed, Julius?
It was a passing of the guard, the seal was placed upon the book of Gracie when Gracie family BJJ purists would be taken seriously by knowlegeable fans. It had been building up for years, but Sakuraba toying with Royce’s Gi and giving him a spanking, using a somersault guardpass, freely giving up the back etc, really ushered in a new era of MMA and ground fighting in MMA.
The other thing is that with the demise of Pride, there probably won’t ever again be an unlimited time match between two fighters of their caliber and reputation. Do you have any grappling experience? I haven’t watched the fight in a few years, but a lot of high level grappling involves what they DON’T do and WHY, and might not be obvious to many fans. Make sure to listen to a version with the commentary.
There to this day, is not a fighter with as much athletic charisma as Kazushi Sakuraba in his prime.
OH, I am talking about the original fight which was 90 minutes long, I forgot about that awful fight. I will try to find the original for you, but it might be hard to come up with streamig links to a fight that long.
That fight was awful because Sakuraba was already physically broken from fighting Wanderlei Silva 3x and Rampage (2 fighters who both outweighed him in walkaround weight by at least 20lbs).
The biggest single advantage that training gives you is the idea that you KNOW you’re going to be hit and rather than doing nothing but get the shit kicked out of you, you are preparing to take (or dodge) the blow and strike back.
People with no training tend to fall back and try to fend off blows or panic, lose their focus and become nothing more than a punching bag.
What kind of training? I would say non-contact martial arts training like taekwondo doesn’t help in the slightest for getting hit. Only full-contact sport martial arts would help in that regard.
Actually Sudo is 2-1 in the UFC and is the only UFC fighter I know of that has ever attempted the Flying Triangle… IMO he is on a different skill level than the UFC guys, who are driving for a completely different place in their training… The UFC is just not exciting enough for a Fighter like Genki Sudo, and that is a shame… The UFC has not been able to hold my interest for a while…
There is Muay Thai, western kickboxing, savate, and some traditional martial arts schools practice full contact to the face as well. But in general if it is called a “martial arts school” they usually don’t have full contact to the face, true.
Uhhh, no. Genki has NEVER been interested in fighting the top competition, which is why even in Japan he was fighting for crap K-1 heros against no-names. Look at his record on fight finder, he has barely ever beaten an opponent of note. Butterbean doesn’t count. The typical UFC lightweight right now is about 100x more skilled than anyone Genki has EVER fought…except for Duane “bang” Ludwig, a phenominal UFC Lightweight…who Genki Lost to.
Genki always ducked top competition, if he really wanted to fight the best he would’ve been in Pride.
I can’t edit a post after five minutes? Oh well. I forgot to mention Genki lost to Kid Yamamoto, who he is naturally MUCH larger than. Genki has never beaten an A-level lightweight.
IMO this why his at a different level of skill… As said in my first post traditional MMA training moves a fighter towards a different place than Genki Sudo, and other martial artists more interested in the spiritual aspects, want to go…
Granted I have no Idea what goes on in the mind of Genki but he seems more interested in perfecting his art than training to win in the ring… which is probably why he doesn’t fight anymore…
but all in all I would rather watch Genki Sudo attempting all his crazy techniques than what I have been seeing in the UFC lately…